217258 - Adaptive (Bayesian) filters setting is per account but looks global in Junk mail controls window

Status: RESOLVED WORKSFORME

(Thunderbird :: Mail Window Front End, enhancement)

Description

[Francis Chin]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.5b) Gecko/20030816 Mozilla Firebird/0.6.1+
Build Identifier: Mozilla Thunderbird 0.1a (20030723)

The adaptive (Bayesian) filters setting is currently set per account and not on
a global basis. The Junk Mail Controls window does not reflect this, leading
some users to think it is a global setting and not realise they need to enable
it for all accounts they wish to.


Reproducible: Always

Steps to Reproduce:
1. Open the Junk Mail Controls window and look at the Adaptive Filters tab



Expected Results:  
Either the adaptive filters need to be made global, or its UI needs to be moved
into the Settings tab.


Mozilla MailNews bug 205883 is related to this, and Scott has produced a rough
spec for Thunderbird at
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/thunderbird/specs/junkmail/junkmail.html, but
this doesn't address this particular issue.

Comment 1

[Francis Chin]

Oops - I've just found it in the release notes: "Turning on junk mail adaptive
filter detection is a per account preference (Tools / Junk Mail Controls /
Adaptive Filters). However the UI makes it look like it is a global setting. To
turn it on for several accounts, click on the Settings tab, change the account
menu list to the right account then go back to the Adaptive Filter panel and
make the decision to enable or disable automatic junk detection."

Comment 2

[Mike Cowperthwaite]

Francis Chin, what do you want to do about this bug?  Your comment 1 makes it 
sound like you should have marked this   Resolved|Invalid   but perhaps you want 
to change this somehow to a request for enhancement?

Comment 3

[Francis Chin]

I haven't found any other bug which asks for this to be fixed, only the mention
in the release note (which few people read).

A change still needs to be made to either the UI or the functionality so I think
we should keep this open as an enhancement bug to track this requirement (and
avoid dupes).

Comment 4

[Mike Cowperthwaite]

Could you be more specific?  I disagree that "the UI makes it look like it is a 
global setting" -- there is an account dropdown box at the very top of the 
dialog -- but I do agree that isn't the best dialog design I've ever seen.

You should say exactly what you want changed, and how.  Provide an image of a 
sample UI, for instance.

Comment 5

[Francis Chin]

Mike, I can see why you disagree with me if your UI is different to mine - but
please see the build ID of my original comment before you jump to conclusions.

I have Thunderbird 0.2 which *does not* have an account dropdown box at the very
top. I'd readily accept having this bug marked as invalid if the latest builds
have fixed the issue.

I *have* said exactly what I want changed, in my original comment, under where
it says Expected results. It won't make sense if your TB UI is different, but at
the time of writing it was correct. I have not yet upgraded, but then I don't
always have the time to continually research the latest and greatest... If you
know it's fixed, then say so!

It is clear enough from the bug summary what should be achieved by a redesign.
In any case, it is better for the user/customer to specify what they want from a
solution instead of the actual solution itself - the designer may have a far
better/more appropriate solution than the user/customer can foresee.

Comment 6

[Jo Hermans]

*** Bug 257951 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7

[Michael Favia]

The Junk mail controls are mailbox specific and make the user select which
mailbox they mean anyway. Why not combine this dialog into the other tabs that
are used to configure mailboxes under "Account Settings" (E.g."Server Settings"
, "Copies and Folders"). Just add a Junk MAil Controls child element to that
list. Seems like a much more intuitive way to handle the controls. For that
matter i believe that message fileter are also managed in yet another dialog
that make you select the account too. Is anyone in favor of a unified management
dialog that elegantly solves these management problems? I will happily provide
some mockups if there is interest...

Comment 8

[Mike Cowperthwaite]

Thunderbird 0.7 does indeed have the account-selector dropdown on the Junk Mail 
Controls page, so I'mmarking this bug WFM against the original report.

Bug 205883 is about reworking the Junk Control dialog.  Bug 180087 is explicitly 
about moving the dialog's settings into an Account Settings page for Mail/News.

See also bug 219138.