263840 - Firefox Start Menu Program Group incomplete

Status: RESOLVED WONTFIX

(Firefox :: Installer, defect)

Description

[David Janes]

User-Agent:       Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041009 Firefox/0.10.1
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.7.3) Gecko/20041009 Firefox/0.10.1

The installer does not add the Profile Manager or Talkback (if installed) to the
Start Menu.
Mozilla and Netscape add these icons and Firefox should too.
It also might be helpful if there was a link to the online help or a Firefox
help page.

Reproducible: Always
Steps to Reproduce:

Comment 1

[Peter van der Woude [:Peter6]]

- profile manager UI is removed so there would be no point
- talkback is not in all builds
- help -> http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ , look at link Help

Comment 2

[David Janes]

Starting Firefox with the -profilemanager command line opens the profile manager
- this should really be on the start menu.

Talkback, although not always installed, should be on the start menu when it is.

I know help is available from the Mozilla site (and the help menu) but a link to
documentation on the Start Menu always looks good for an application.

Comment 3

[David Janes]

Requesting blocking.

Something as simple as this can make an app look like something someone's
knocked up in 5 minutes as opposed to a mature looking stable app - especially
for newbies.
Firefox is definitely the latter so it should look like it!

Comment 4

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

As Peter said,

- the Profile Manager is deprecated, so showing it is useless
- talkback is not in all builds and the app itself is nothing we would advertise. 
  Most people should just be fine with sending a talkback report and people using 
  bugzilla know where to find and start the talkback app.

Marking WONTFIX again. Please do not reopen this bug unless you have clear and
valid evidence that the points mentioned by me or Peter aren't valid anymore.

Comment 5

[David Janes]

Thanks for the clarification.

Peter said that the Profile Manager UI had been removed, not deprecated, which
isn't true.
If the Profile Manager is being phased out then it obviously shouldn't be on the
Start Menu.

Comment 6

[Bill Mason]

*** Bug 266935 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 7

[Simon Paquet [:sipaq]]

*** Bug 267716 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 8

[Marco Iannaccone]

(In reply to comment #5)
> Thanks for the clarification.
> 
> Peter said that the Profile Manager UI had been removed, not deprecated, which
> isn't true.
> If the Profile Manager is being phased out then it obviously shouldn't be on the
> Start Menu.

Well...
1) Why should the profile manager be deprecated? I found it very useful in some
situations, and think it's a good thing having the possibility of usinf multiple
profiles. Thunderbird normally has it, and I can't see why Mozilla Firefox
shouldn't. I thik this is really more useful than "Firefox (Safe Mode)"...

2) In start menu are not put links to "LICENSE" and "README". I think this would
be needed, at least the first one.

The way it is, it looks empty, as smething not complete yet... and I'm not the
first ond only one who noticed it...

Comment 9

[David Janes]

I have updated the summary to reflect a more general discusssion about start
menu items.

I agree with Comment #8 - the start menu items need to be looked at.

Comment 10

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

*** Bug 267716 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 11

[Mike Connor [:mconnor]]

We've chosen to deprecate Profile Manager, but retain it for development/testing
purposes.  End users don't need it, some people still want it so its available,
but we don't want to expose it to the world.

The readme doesn't need to be linked, nor does the license.  You read the
license when installing, or you don't.  The readme is mostly useless, especially
since its about "getting and installing" Mozilla, which you've obviously already
done.  So putting it there is of little use.

This is why we've removed these entries, like it or not that's the way its staying.

Marking WONTFIX for the last time.

Comment 12

[Marco Iannaccone]

(In reply to comment #11)
> We've chosen to deprecate Profile Manager, but retain it for development/testing
> purposes.  End users don't need it, some people still want it so its available,
> but we don't want to expose it to the world.

Ok.

>  The readme is mostly useless, especially
> since its about "getting and installing" Mozilla, which you've obviously already
> done.  So putting it there is of little use.

Ok.



> The readme doesn't need to be linked, nor does the license.  You read the
> license when installing, or you don't.

I don't agree. The license could be needed anyway. Someone could need to read it
in a later time. And there could also be finance checks so... having the license
linked there could be useful.


> This is why we've removed these entries, like it or not that's the way its
>staying.

They are both present in Mozilla Thunderbird. Why are they present in on
eprogram and not present in the other one?

Comment 13

[Phil Ringnalda (:philor)]

*** Bug 305424 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***

Comment 14

[pile0nades]

Adding a Profile Manager shortcut wouldn't be very hard to do, just add at line
165 of http://lxr.mozilla.org/mozilla1.8/source/browser/installer/windows/ab-CD.jst:

File.windowsShortcut(fileExe, fDefShortcuts, scExeDesc, fProgram + " Profile
Manager", "-p",  fileExe, 0);

It is only a single line to add. Also, by "deprecating the UI" do you mean
anything in the Firefox window about it, like a menu item? I think I remember
there being one back in v0.9.3.  

Also, how would it be "exposing it to the world" to add a shortcut to it in the
Start Menu? Its not exactly opening an annoying popup window at every Firefox
startup telling people about it.

Anyway, if you are going to deprecate the Profile Manager UI, why not also
change safe mode so it acts like a completely new profile, with the default
options and no loading of userChrome.css or userContent.css or user.js and only
loading the default plugins? This would make a shortcut to the Profile Manager
unnecessary IMO.

Comment 16

[S. Ali Tokmen]

Hello

This UI is interesting for sharing profiles between user accounts, including on different OSes. For example, we create a profile that points to the same location on Windows, Linux and MacOS X. This way, the users' bookmarks, cookies and extensions are the same for all OSes.

On the other hand, even for that application, the shortcut is only used once (for creating the profile). This request is therefore non-blocking.

Thanks

S. Ali Tokmen
http://ali.tokmen.com/