Closed Bug 419213 Opened 13 years ago Closed 13 years ago

Web services changes for Firefox 3 for Russian (ru)

Categories

(Mozilla Localizations :: ru / Russian, defect)

defect
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normal

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(Not tracked)

RESOLVED FIXED

People

(Reporter: unghost, Assigned: unghost)

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(3 files, 1 obsolete file)

Tracking bug for discussion on proposed changes for Russian.

Changes in search engines are tracked in Bug 408880

Per discussion the defaults for mailto and calendar are expected to be:

Mailto: Yandex, Rambler, Google
Calendar: Yandex, Google

The guidelines for making recommendations is here:
http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox_web_services_guidelines

For information about Rambler web handler see Bug 408880 comment #26
Alexander do any of the other en-US defaults for calendar make sense for ru? like 30 boxes, yahoo?
(In reply to comment #1)
> Alexander do any of the other en-US defaults for calendar make sense for ru?
> like 30 boxes, yahoo?
> 
Does any of this services has Russian interface?
As I said in Bug 408880 comment #0 Yahoo market share is very insignificant, I'm not sure that it makes sense to add Yahoo calendar. Frankly, I've never heard about "30 boxes" before, so I can not advise here.
I'm adding to CC Russian Sunbird/Calendar localizer, probably he can advise here. 

as far as i know they do not have russian interface
Whiteboard: needs-patch
ping, any further recommendations?
updating for mailto for Yandex. here are the instructions from yandex team

----- Original Message -----
From: "Андрей Винокуров" <andvin@ya...team.ru>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2008 3:08:51 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: mailto protocol for Firefox 3 russia]

http://mail.yandex.ru/compose?mailto=*

For the link <a href="mailto:mfinkle@mozilla.com"> the URL sent to our
server should be http://mail.yandex.ru/compose?mailto=mfinkle@mozilla.com
(it can be
http://mail.yandex.ru/compose?mailto=mailto:mfinkle@mozilla.com as well,
our server handle any address with or without 'mailto:' correctly) 
Attached patch Patch for Yandex Mail (obsolete) — Splinter Review
Patch for Yandex Mail (see comment #5 for details)
Attachment #309651 - Flags: review?(l10n)
This is blocked by bug 420756 for now.
Depends on: 420756
Please add Yandex.Calendar as webcal handler as well. The URL is http://calendar.yandex.ru/importics.xml?ics=%s
Patch for Yandex.Calendar per comment #8
Attachment #310025 - Flags: review?(l10n)
Mic, attachment 310025 [details] [diff] [review] replaces 30 boxes with yandex calendar, I'm not sure if the removal of 30boxes has your sign-off or not. Same goes for yahoo cal, once we have that in en-US.
Whiteboard: needs-patch → needs-mic
No longer blocks: fx3-wsl10n-fr
i need to double check with beltzner on this, i'm a bit worried about too much yandex on the one hand and on the other i understand they are most popular. i will respond asap as i appreciate the rationale for getting this in to b5
comment #9, and #11, I did speak with Mike and for b5 we would like to keep 30boxes in and leave yandex calendar out. i will discuss with him further to make a final decision for RC1 but we need more time hence this decision for b5. thanks
Comment on attachment 309651 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch for Yandex Mail

Not sure if Leonid could answer this, or who else at yandex, but for the mailto URL, should we use https instead of http?

This was raised in the original en-US bug, and might apply here, too.
Comment on attachment 309651 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch for Yandex Mail

Not sure if Leonid could answer this, or who else at yandex, but for the mailto URL, should we use https instead of http?

This was raised in the original en-US bug, and might apply here, too.
(In reply to comment #13)
> (From update of attachment 309651 [details] [diff] [review])
> Not sure if Leonid could answer this, or who else at yandex, but for the mailto
> URL, should we use https instead of http?
> 
> This was raised in the original en-US bug, and might apply here, too.
> 
I've talked with Yandex developer responsible for mailto: webhandler implementation. He said that it's possible to use https version of maito: URL (https://mail.yandex.ru/) and mailto: web-handler in attachment 309651 [details] [diff] [review] should work (just s/http/https).
However he doesn't recommend to change url from http to https (as he said default web-mail page uses http, not https for some reason)
Probably Mic should raise this question with Yandex, I guess we need new permission for new URL, right?
let me see if I can get Yandex to comment in this bug or i'll post their response.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Андрей Винокуров" <>
To: "Michal Berman" <>
Cc: "Roman Ivanov" <>, "Dmitry Alekseev" <>, 
Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2008 7:50:35 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: mailto protocol for Firefox 3 russia]

Dear Michal, dear Team,

Please feel free to use HTTPS instead of HTTP for Yandex mailto: link, 
the url is the same:

https://mail.yandex.ru/compose?mailto=

Have a nice day,
Andrew
Yandex Mail project manager
Comment on attachment 309651 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch for Yandex Mail

r- on this one, then, can we have a new patch with the https url?

Mic, any ETA on a call on the calendar part?
Attachment #309651 - Flags: review?(l10n) → review-
Patch for Yandex Mail v2 (with https mailto: link)
Attachment #309651 - Attachment is obsolete: true
Attachment #312052 - Flags: review?(l10n)
per comment #18 - eta thursday april 3
As for https://calendar.yandex.ru, you are welcome to use it as well.
alexander re comment #18. i spoke with beltzner about yandex calendar. i will approve it.
i would like to get your perspective about using http://www.itar-tass.com/ as the rss-feed instead of yandex. i beleive it's as good and i'm concerned about user choice. please advise asap
(In reply to comment #22)
> i would like to get your perspective about using http://www.itar-tass.com/ as
> the rss-feed instead of yandex. i beleive it's as good and i'm concerned about
> user choice. please advise asap
Does this page provide rss feed at all? I haven't found any. Regarding ITAR-TASS - it's funded by Russian goverment and I don't think it can provide fair and balanced news.
P.S. BTW http://www.itar-tass.com/ is completely broken in Firefox 3 :-(
ok :(
so can you offer any alternative suggestions to news feed besides yandex that is as good?
regarding 30boxes, you have explicit permission to replace them with yandex calendar as 30boxes is not in russian language and not at all familiar to russian users
Comment on attachment 310025 [details] [diff] [review]
Patch for Yandex.Calendar 

r=me, with nits. Please land this and attachment 312052 [details] [diff] [review] together, and bump the defaultHandlersVersion just once.

Land it with a check-in comment referencing this bug and my review, as usual.
Attachment #310025 - Flags: review?(l10n) → review+
Attachment #312052 - Flags: review?(l10n) → review+
(In reply to comment #24)
> ok :(
> so can you offer any alternative suggestions to news feed besides yandex that
> is as good?
> 
I'll look into it and answer in few days.
Final patch for Yandex Calendar and Yandex Mail, for reference. I've also used https for calendar.yandex.ru per comment #21
attachment 313684 [details] [diff] [review] has been checked in trunk
Checking in chrome/browser-region/region.properties;
/l10n/l10n/ru/browser/chrome/browser-region/region.properties,v  <--  region.properties
new revision: 1.22; previous revision: 1.21
done
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Whiteboard: needs-mic → needs-alexander
(In reply to comment #24)
> ok :(
> so can you offer any alternative suggestions to news feed besides yandex that
> is as good?
> 
I suggest that we go with BBC RSS feed, like it was done for Russian Firefox 1.5. 
It's kinda neutral news source and AFAIK we already have permission from them to use their rss feed.
How is the plan? 
Whiteboard: needs-alexander → needs-mic
perfect, thanks very much. 
axel can over to you for server side change request
Whiteboard: needs-mic → needs-pike
Should we move the feed out to a separate bug and enjoy to be done with this one?

The reference would be, as for the search bug, http://hg.mozilla.org/users/axel_mozilla.com/l10n-src-verification/index.cgi/file/7eb51860f7cb/reference/HEAD/ru/.
(In reply to comment #32)
> Should we move the feed out to a separate bug and enjoy to be done with this
> one?
> 
> The reference would be, as for the search bug,
> http://hg.mozilla.org/users/axel_mozilla.com/l10n-src-verification/index.cgi/file/7eb51860f7cb/reference/HEAD/ru/.
> 
I filed feed redirect issue as Bug 427803
I'm marking this bug as fixed
Status: ASSIGNED → RESOLVED
Closed: 13 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
Whiteboard: needs-pike
Alexander, can you, please, reopen this topic?

In last new months landscape of Russian web has been changed, now Mail.ru uses its own search engine (former named gogo.ru) and Google as an advertising system. May be you know that in past we use Yandex technolory for both search and ads. 

As you can see in liveinternet,ru
or other statistics, our search engine has big market share, approx 10% of all Russian queries processed by our engine:

http://www.liveinternet.ru/stat/ru/searches.html?period=month&slice=ru&id=5&id=9&show=%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA&per_page=20&report=searches.html%3Fslice%3Dru%3Bperiod%3Dmonth

Now Rambler has only 3% share of market, but mail.ru has approx 10%.

So I asking Mozilla team to switch Rambler search provider in Russian build to Mail.ru.
(In reply to comment #34)
> Alexander, can you, please, reopen this topic?
> 
> In last new months landscape of Russian web has been changed, now Mail.ru uses
> its own search engine (former named gogo.ru) and Google as an advertising
> system. May be you know that in past we use Yandex technolory for both search
> and ads. 
> 
> As you can see in liveinternet,ru
> or other statistics, our search engine has big market share, approx 10% of all
> Russian queries processed by our engine:
> 
> http://www.liveinternet.ru/stat/ru/searches.html?period=month&slice=ru&id=5&id=9&show=%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B5%D1%81%D1%82%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B8%D1%82%D1%8C+%D0%B3%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%84%D0%B8%D0%BA&per_page=20&report=searches.html%3Fslice%3Dru%3Bperiod%3Dmonth
> 
> Now Rambler has only 3% share of market, but mail.ru has approx 10%.
> 
> So I asking Mozilla team to switch Rambler search provider in Russian build to
> Mail.ru.
Let's not reopen old bugs, just create new bug and add to cc list myself, lakostis and stas.
For reference, discussion on gogo.ru was held in Bug 474226.
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