428151 - [bg-BG] "Getting started" page for Firefox 3, potential link changes

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Mozilla Localizations :: bg / Bulgarian, defect)

Description

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

This bug deals with the potential productization changes for the getting started page in bug #428145

Read bug #428145 for more details.

If you think your locale needs to have some link changes in the above bug, propose them here for approval. If you don't, just close the bug.

Comment 1

[Mic Berman]

are there any bulgarian sites that would be better to link to than those already listed? I fear that some of these are not in bulgarian and would be a poor user experience. Please LMK what you think or ask your community for feedback. thanks


    * WebTools useful in Work: Google Docs, RememberTheMilk.com, LinkedIn, Clipmarks Add-on, built-in spellcheck
    * WebTools useful in Learning: Wikipedia, Topix, HowStuffWorks.com, Answers Add-on, customize the search bar
    * WebTools useful in having fun on the internet: YouTube, Hype Machine, Miro, PicLens add-on, use Add-ons Manager to customize Firefox
    * WebTools useful in Connecting to other people or groups on the internet: Craig's List, Yelp, Facebook, Meebo Add-on, subscribe to RSS feeds

Comment 2

[Mic Berman]

ping?

Comment 3

[Ognyan Kulev]

Hi,

I'm sorry for the big delay in handling this. I'll look for good options in the near days. What is certain for the above is that http://vbox7.com/ is very popular YouTube-like site.

Comment 4

[Velislav Varbanov]

Hi,
some suggestions form me: http://svejo.net/ - a digg like site.
http://www.clix.bg/ or http://edno23.com/ - twitter,
obviously http://bg.wikipedia.org
For social networking I'd suggest zip.bg but with some reservations, because it is invite-only site.

Comment 5

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Great suggestions, thank you both.

For twitter-like: edno23 seems to be more popular (according to Alexa). Can you confirm this?

For social networking: we'd definitely prefer something open to registration. Are myspace or facebook popular in Bulgaria?

Ognyan, what do you think about Velislav's ideas?

Comment 6

[Ognyan Kulev]

svejo.net is ahead in popularity when compared to other social bookmarking sites. (dao.bg is much more popular for technical-oriented bookmarks but we don't aim this audience.)

edno23 is the first microblogging site in Bulgaria and this is the reason for its stats.  Clix.bg is created some months after edno23.com.  They are similar in functionality. edno23.com web site gives the impression that it's better supported.

Facebook is popular in social networking and I think it's more used than local alternative when it comes to what social networking really is. MySpace is seldom used.

I would add start.bg - it's directory for web sites (~dmoz) and it's well supported.

bg.wikipedia.org is very good.

There is lack of local WebTools for Work.

There are WebTools for Learning (beside Wikipedia BG) but they are paid.

Comment 7

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Let me try to summarize the current suggestions:

Work

* Google Docs -> stays?
* Remember the Milk -> stays?
* LinkedIn -> stays? (can you think of a business networking website like LinkedIn in Bulgaria?)

+ Clipmarks Add-on

Learn

* Wikipedia -> Wikipedia (bg)
* Topix -> start.bg
* HowStuffWorks.com -> stays?

+ Answers Add-on

Play

* YouTube -> vbox7.com (see note below)
* Hype Machine -> stays?
* Miro -> stays?

+ PicLens Add-on

Connect

* Criagslist -> svejo.net
* Yelp -> edno23
* Facebook -> Facebook

+ Me.dium Add-on 

What do you guys think about this list?

One thing that I noticed about vbox7.com is that it doesn't give as much control over the type of viewable content depending on the audience as YouTube does. For example, for some videos, YouTube asks to confirm your age before displaying the video. Seeing how popular vbox7.com is in Bulgaria, I'm for  including it on the Getting Started page, but I just wanted to see what you think about this. Thanks!

Comment 8

[Ognyan Kulev]

I don't think we can make better list than the suggested from you.

vbox7 policy is to not include 18+ content and there's link for reporting inappropriate content. I think it's OK vbox7 to be promoted more visibly.

Comment 9

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Cool, thanks.

Any thoughts on LinkedIn, HowStuffWorks and Hype Machine? Or should we go with them for now?

Comment 10

[Ognyan Kulev]

zip.bg is failed attempt for LinkedIn but more like "briefcase" (e.g. +uploaded files) than "visit card/CV" (LinkedIn). It was already discussed in this bug and it requires invitations (the reasoning is to better track relationships between people so that noone comes from nowhere).

There are some HowStuffWorks alternatives like znam.bg (translated "know.bg") but they are all paid, e.g. http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fznam.bg%2Fcom%2Faction%2FshowLoginInfo&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=bg&tl=en <http://znam.bg/com/action/showLoginInfo> for znam.bg (and for completeness: they claim 1/3 of content is free).

The closest to Hype Machine are some MP3 shops that include their own music news, like mp3.bg or mp3.dir.bg.

Although I really don't want to miss yet another deadline, there's one more candidate for getting started pages: programata.bg. It lists practically all events in major Bulgarian towns: http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=bg&tl=en&u=http://programata.bg/%3Fp%3D2%26l%3D1%26c%3D1&usg=ALkJrhirDjh2D0bO5jXeObOBdHKpkJNxqQ <http://programata.bg/?p=2&l=1&c=1>

Comment 11

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

(In reply to comment #10)
> zip.bg is failed attempt for LinkedIn but more like "briefcase" (e.g. +uploaded
> files) than "visit card/CV" (LinkedIn). It was already discussed in this bug
> and it requires invitations (the reasoning is to better track relationships
> between people so that noone comes from nowhere).

OK, let's go with LinkedIn then.

> There are some HowStuffWorks alternatives like znam.bg (translated "know.bg")
> but they are all paid, e.g.
> http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fznam.bg%2Fcom%2Faction%2FshowLoginInfo&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&sl=bg&tl=en
> <http://znam.bg/com/action/showLoginInfo> for znam.bg (and for completeness:
> they claim 1/3 of content is free).

Let's leave HowStuffWorks for now, maybe we can find something better later.


> The closest to Hype Machine are some MP3 shops that include their own music
> news, like mp3.bg or mp3.dir.bg.

Which one would you prefer? 

> Although I really don't want to miss yet another deadline, there's one more
> candidate for getting started pages: programata.bg. It lists practically all
> events in major Bulgarian towns:
> http://209.85.135.104/translate_c?hl=en&sl=bg&tl=en&u=http://programata.bg/%3Fp%3D2%26l%3D1%26c%3D1&usg=ALkJrhirDjh2D0bO5jXeObOBdHKpkJNxqQ
> <http://programata.bg/?p=2&l=1&c=1>

I think that's a great suggestion. Maybe we can have it as a 4th link in the Connect category?

Thanks Ognyan for your suggestions and patience. Would you like to start working on the HTML for this page now? I hope we can soon mark this bug as fixed.

Comment 12

[Ognyan Kulev]

Attachment: Propoesed Getting Started Page

This zip contains proposed getting started page for Bulgarian l10n, as summarized in comment 7 but with Contacto.bg instead of LinkedIn.

Logos are not scaled down nice. Should I try to vectorize them (I have experience for this).

Comment 13

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Hi Ognyan. Thanks for creating the html file and the logos. This looks really good! :)

Thanks for looking up contacto.bg for a linkedin replacement. It looks pretty nice. It's free to use and register, right?

Here are the screenshots from my localhost:

http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/041D043004470430043B043D0438-043D04300441043E043A0438-043D0430-Firefox-1.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/041D043004470430043B043D0438-043D04300441043E043A0438-043D0430-Firefox-2.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/041D043004470430043B043D0438-043D04300441043E043A0438-043D0430-Firefox-3.png
http://informationisart.com/stas/screenshots/041D043004470430043B043D0438-043D04300441043E043A0438-043D0430-Firefox-4.png

I improved the quality of the Contacto.bg and Endo23.com logos, and resized the other ones to make them all 65px high. If you have a way of making the logos look better, please do so :)

We changed the add-on featured in the last category, from Me.Dium to Shareaholic (see bug 478757). Can you please translate the following description, please?

"The ultimate add-on for the link sharing junkie!"

I'll attach the files after my modifications in the next comment.

Comment 14

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Attachment: Micro modifications by stas

Almost there! :-) (we just need the Shareaholic description)

Comment 15

[Ognyan Kulev]

Attachment: Updated with translation for Shareaholic

Thank you for the improvements :-) For now let's leave the logos as-is.

The translation is:

"Най-добрата добавка за пристрастените към споделяне на уеб страници!"

Comment 16

[Staś Małolepszy :stas]

Comment on attachment 373550 [details]
Updated with translation for Shareaholic

Thanks Ognyan.