Closed Bug 583905 Opened 15 years ago Closed 14 years ago

Add Option To Show Title in New Windows Theme

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(Firefox :: General, defect)

Product:
Firefox
Component:
General
Platform:
x86
Windows Vista
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

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Status:
RESOLVED WONTFIX
Tracking Flags:
Tracking Status
blocking2.0 --- -

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(Reporter: aicitman, Unassigned)

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(Depends on 1 open bug, Blocks 1 open bug,
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User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; Windows NT 6.0; rv:2.0b3pre) Gecko/20100801 Minefield/4.0b3pre ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729) Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; Windows NT 6.0; rv:2.0b3pre) Gecko/20100801 Minefield/4.0b3pre ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729) Next to the firefox button in Firefox 4, there is a lot of empty space. In bug 575487 Alex decided not to put it there by default. Would there be any way to at least put an option to add a title in the aero on top, in the center, of the control buttons and the Firefox Button (with the default system glow around it)? The option could be placed in a menu when you right click the Firefox Button (even if it brings up the alt+space system menu (I couldn't find the bug), you could add it to that, like chrome does with their task manager) Reproducible: Always This should be an option on windows xp, vista, 7 and on linux if the app menu is implemented (bug 513159).
I hate to be a bitch, but the center of the title bar is not the ideal place to put it. The system decides whether windows have their title at the left, the right or the center, not the application. I know Safari even goes as far as overriding the window style, and so does Chrome, but that's bad practice. We should simply add a "page title" to the "customize screen" (in-content for Firefox 4, right? So "customize tab" rather), and let the user put Flexible Spaces on either side of it if they want the title to be centered. Of course, that's assuming the title bar will be treated as a normal toolbar (only with a few tweaks, like dropping tabs a bit down, when not maximized, if their in the title bar, and having a different style for icons and whatnot).
Depends on: 583959
(In reply to comment #1) > Of course, that's assuming the title bar will be treated as a normal toolbar > (only with a few tweaks, like dropping tabs a bit down, when not maximized, if > their in the title bar, and having a different style for icons and whatnot). I totally agree. Filed bug 583959. Added as dependency.
Coming from bug 575870, looking at the mockups on it looks like the title bar will no longer display the page name, is that accurate? If so, that's a waste of screen real state. Are we meant to have an empty blue space at the top of the window and don't actually see the complete page name if it overflows the tab width unless we hover the pointer on the tab? =S Even Microsoft Office's "ribbon" shows the document name at the top. This bug should be confirmed.
(In reply to comment #1) > the center of the title bar is not the ideal place to > put it. The system decides whether windows have their title at the left, the > right or the center, not the application. MS Office even centers it in the window and doesn't look that bad.
Status: UNCONFIRMED → NEW
Ever confirmed: true
Version: unspecified → Trunk
To comment 3. There is only an empty blue space if you are not using tabs on top and included in the title bar. As far as the name goes, the Menu button can be changed to say "Firefox 4"
Component: Theme → General
QA Contact: theme → general
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(In reply to comment #5) Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; rv:2.0b5pre) Gecko/20100826 Minefield/4.0b5pre ID:20100826040655 using "Windows Classic" theme. Are you saying there's no empty blue space in the attachment? Maybe I need to visit my optometrist =S
Well, it's gray on my end. Tonikaku... Theres bug 572312 and theres bug 572160, which I think are both related to this one in one way or another.
I hope this will be considered. The idea that tabs display the title is simply not accurate. There are many websites that still incorrectly use the "pre-tabs" design guidelines of naming titles in the order "website - section - page" instead of a tab-centric order "page - section - website". In some cases, titles are also used to display information which may not be reproduced in the page itself as the designer felt it was redundant to do so. According to the W3C HTML 4.1 standard, a descriptive title is *required* for all pages: http://www.w3.org/TR/html401/struct/global.html#h-7.4.2 And according to the W3C HTML 5.0 draft, the page title should be more specific than the headings: http://dev.w3.org/html5/spec/Overview.html#the-title-element-0 This gives credence to the idea that the page title is not just meaningless text in the titlebar, but is an important part of the document that should not be suppressed.
blocking2.0: --- → ?
Not holding the entire Firefox 4 release for a non-default option, so blocking-. However, there are some good arguments for permanent display of full title in here, so requesting uiwanted for UX team input.
blocking2.0: ? → -
Keywords: uiwanted
(In reply to comment #10) > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/221514/ Though better than nothing, it's still quite an unsatisfying experience for XP users...
Why do we need repeat Title at two place 1. On a separate space comment 0 says 2. A part of it in the Tab I have an alternate option Bug 588262 - RFE: make min-width: 250px for active tab. (In reply to comment #1) > right or the center, not the application. I know Safari even goes as far as > overriding the window style, and so does Chrome, but that's bad practice. We When I first started windows programing, the MS guideline said that the system should decide appearance of application, and all application should appear alike. But each release of MS-Office from Office-2000. They deviated from their guidelines. MS-Office appeared same across all version of windows, ie, not appearing same way as the OS-Theme set by user. So what is the point in Mozilla trying to match the appearance as the users OS-Theme. I see only extra "complex" coding in the CSS and all.
For what it's worth, aside from the centered title, Office 2010's titlebar seems to fit the Windows UX spec. As for the increasing of the tab target area, while a neat idea, I think it negatively impacts spacial memory and doesn't show as much of the title as this would.
(In reply to comment #15) > For what it's worth, aside from the centered title, Office 2010's titlebar > seems to fit the Windows UX spec. > > As for the increasing of the tab target area, while a neat idea, I think it > negatively impacts spacial memory and doesn't show as much of the title as this > would. In addition, all these things are IMHO outside the core scope of this bug - just put the put title up there like it always was. Can we please keep this bug simple and on point, and discuss other issues in other bugs?
(In reply to comment #10) > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/221514/ Yes, something like that. Works good for me. The document title is an important part of the document which should be visible. It should definitely be a default and changeable Firefox setting. It might automatically be hidden if the tabs will be shown in the titlebar. (bug 572160) BTW: New IE 9 doesn't have a title.
IE9 also reduces tabs down to one character in tab overflow mode.... meaning that in any session with more than a handful of tabs IE9 users will have absolutely no indication of the page title. All that means is that IE9 and Chrome both fail this part of the HTML5 spec, as well as their users.
(In reply to comment #10) > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/221514/ > > courtesy of bsmedberg. Stopped working for me recently. Also, will this stay as an extension or will this be added as a option to Firefox 4?
We must add this feature! Title bar missing is very annoying.
@Gabri: See the link to the addon in comment 10. It works as advertised, though it's been buggy in Minefield for the past month (causes the FF button to stretch vertically).
Yes, it works exactly as advertized... for Vista/7 Aero. It is nowhere near the correct solution for XP/2000 or Vista/7 Classic users. I've looked into building an extension that could really actually replace the titles, but it's fairly unpredictable because there are so many different text styles and sizes for different OS's and OS themes... and I don't have access to all of those systems to test it. Mozilla really should be providing at least and OFFICIAL patch to bring this back... this is completely unacceptable.
@patrickjdempsey: You're right.
(In reply to comment #25) > Yes, it works exactly as advertized... for Vista/7 Aero. I have Windows 7 with Aero/Glass and the Add-on "Aero Window Title" v1.2, and the Minefield button spills into the top of the Navigation Toolbar buttons (or the Tabs, with Tabs-on-Top). Works "as advertized"? Compatible with Firefox but not Minefield? Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:2.0b8pre) Gecko/20101206 Firefox/4.0b8pre ID:20101206030318
Depends on: 617893
(In reply to comment #18) > IE9 also reduces tabs down to one character in tab overflow mode.... meaning > that in any session with more than a handful of tabs IE9 users will have > absolutely no indication of the page title. All that means is that IE9 and > Chrome both fail this part of the HTML5 spec, as well as their users. Google Chrome sets tabbar on top. I guess that Chrome treat "tab" as traditional window which the smallest unit of web page. So, Chrome may have that the browser doesn't have to show page title in title bar if tabs on top and tabs provide "full page title" by tooltip. (I don't mention about IE9 because it has not released as stable.)
Note that since 2 days, Firefox is now also placing tabs in the titlebar if the window is maximized - they're now completely on top. There's no more room for a title.
(In reply to comment #29) > Note that since 2 days, Firefox is now also placing tabs in the titlebar if the > window is maximized - they're now completely on top. There's no more room for a > title. They've been doing that for a while. The tabs do not go in the titlebar, however, if you have "Tabs on Top" deselected (as many of us who are requesting this feature do).
(In reply to comment #30) > They've been doing that for a while. I'm talking about bug 572160 which is brand new.
This bug should be "Windows All" from what I see on the initial descriptions and comments.
Titlebar is not related to the tab title. And tabs on bottom will go away.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 14 years ago
Keywords: uiwanted
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
A title bar without a page title, unbelievable.
(In reply to Zhenshuo Fang (:fang) - Firefox UX Team from comment #33) > Titlebar is not related to the tab title. And tabs on bottom will go away. So 20 years of webbrowsers have been wrong in displaying the current page title in the titlebar. Interesting. And I'm sure every other program that displays the name of the currently viewed content in the titlebar for the last 20 years is also wrong. Good to know, Mozilla should alert the various OS manufacturers out there and let them know about this. Also, what is this about tabs on bottom going away? We don't want Chrome.
(In reply to patrickjdempsey from comment #35) > Also, what is this about tabs on bottom going away? We don't want Chrome. You'll get used to it (says a person who already got used to it).
(In reply to Zhenshuo Fang (:fang) - Firefox UX Team from comment #33) > Titlebar is not related to the tab title. And tabs on bottom will go away. Please explain this comment. Are you saying you're going to force tabs on top, with no option for anything else?
(In reply to Rimas Kudelis from comment #36) > (In reply to patrickjdempsey from comment #35) > > Also, what is this about tabs on bottom going away? We don't want Chrome. > > You'll get used to it (says a person who already got used to it). Three years since Chrome and I still hate it. It makes it more difficult to know which tab you are on, longer reach to switch tabs, makes drag-and-drop bookmarking a pain, and doesn't even make any sense because it separates the browser content from the tab it's related to, as well as bringing with it other disruptive design decisions like hiding toolbars for "in-content" pages. It's silly nonsensical obstructive fashion and I don't want it in my browser, or at least I want the option to not have to deal with it in my browser. If Mozilla just doesn't want to continue to support the silly Aero glass they put into the tabs-on-bottom toolbars then they should just remove the glass nonsense, which would greatly simplify the default theme code and what would remain to support tabs-on-bottom would only be a few lines.
(In reply to patrickjdempsey from comment #35) > So 20 years of webbrowsers have been wrong in displaying the current page > title in the titlebar. Interesting. And I'm sure every other program that > displays the name of the currently viewed content in the titlebar for the > last 20 years is also wrong. Good to know, Mozilla should alert the various > OS manufacturers out there and let them know about this. Per comment 10, there is an add-on available that will add the tab title to the titlebar. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aero-window-title/ Just tested this with the latest release version, seems to working fine.
(In reply to Jim Mathies [:jimm] from comment #39) > Per comment 10, there is an add-on available that will add the tab title to > the titlebar. > > https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/aero-window-title/ > > Just tested this with the latest release version, seems to working fine. indeed, thanks to bsmedberg I'm not living in chrome world for the last year. (UGG!) And it works great trunk, and never failed.
URL: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/fire...
Depends on: 858236
FWIW there's also browser.tabs.drawInTitlebar hidden in about:config that brings back the title bar when set to false.
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