Closed Bug 597048 Opened 14 years ago Closed 10 years ago

Add Universal Subtitles tool to videos on Mozilla.com

Categories

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Product:
www.mozilla.org
Component:
General
Type:
defect
Priority:
Not set
Severity:
normal

Tracking

(Not tracked)

Status:
RESOLVED WONTFIX

People

(Reporter: chelsea, Assigned: jslater)

References

Details

Universal Subtitles is about to release a major upgrade to their tool. We'd like to encourage people to add the subtitling tool to as many videos as they can so that people can easily subtitle and translate video. Seems like a good idea to start with our own videos. 

According to the Universal Subtitles guys we need to substitute for the right ogv URL and add the following code. 

This is the code for the switch video:
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://s3.www.universalsubtitles.org/embed.js">
(
  {"video_url": "http://videos.mozilla.org/firefox/3.5/switch/switch.ogv"}
)
</script>

Or you can generate your own embed code here: 

http://universalsubtitles.org/videos/create/

If you have more questions, let me know and I can put you in touch with the Universal Subtitles team directly. 

Thanks!

More info on the update is here: http://blog.universalsubtitles.org/2010/09/09/this-next-release-is-going-to-be-so-good/
Thanks Chelsea. Do you have a specific deadline or priority level for this? There's a lot going on right now, so that'd be helpful so we could know how to slot it in.

It seems like a pretty quick & easy one, though - Alex and/or Steven, what do you think?
It would be great if it could be up and running in the next two weeks, if that's a reasonable time frame. They're starting a big promotional push the first weekend in October. But if that's too soon, then let me know what a good time frame would be.
Alex or Steven - what do you think?
Is this still relevant?
This is a nice-to-have as they're planning another update for Feb. Can it be done?
It appears that this requires 200+Kb of Javascript. Is it possible to have minimal set that loads the bulk of the assets only after the "Subtitle Me" button has been clicked?
I'll ask the USubs team and report asap or have them comment in this bug.
Steven–  Can you get in touch with me about this so we can discuss exactly what your needs are? 

We can only address this issue in the way you describe, but I wanted to check in with you first.

(This is Holmes Wilson from the Universal Subtitles project --hwilson AT g mail for email and jabber)
Chatted with Holmes and they're going to work on a way for the feature to have less of a performance impact for us. Will revisit when those changes are ready.
For the other folks following this ticket, the latest on this is that Steven is going to test the impact on page load time of loading the widget asynchronously.

We think there's a good change the impact on page load time won't be a problem, and if it isn't, that's definitely the best solution.
(Continuing from bug 573076)
Are we sure we want to use universal subtitles directly on mozilla pages?
We (localizers) will not have any control, and the subtitles could be easily vandalized.
(In reply to comment #11)

These are my concerns too.
Also, can we have a <noscript> block added to their default embed code, so that the video still works (but without subtitles) if people have JS turned off?

Thanks :-)

Gerv
(In reply to comment #13)
> Also, can we have a <noscript> block added to their default embed code, so that
> the video still works (but without subtitles) if people have JS turned off?
> 
> Thanks :-)
> 
> Gerv

I just created a ticket for this: 
https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/11617289
I just got off the phone with Dean from the Universal Subtitles project:

* They are going to resolve the open technical issues with Universal Subtitles mentioned here that are blocking us from rolling this out.

* Once we can deploy this, we'll add it to one page (probably mozilla.org/about) as a way to test how this will work on a Mozilla site.

* Before rolling it out to any other videos on Mozilla sites, we will create a task force proposal and work with the web l10n community to shape and finalize those plans.

* When that is done we'll look at getting this on other key sites and packaging it for other Mozillians to pick up for their projects.
(In reply to comment #15)
> I just got off the phone with Dean from the Universal Subtitles project:

David, thanks for sorting this out. To be clear, we'll be waiting until the first step ("They are going to resolve the open technical issues...") is addressed before any more action is taken on this bug.
Hi everyone-- just trying to list and coral the concerns that were raised.  I think all of them have been resolved and we're waiting on Steven's performance test (see below).

(In reply to comment #13)
> Also, can we have a <noscript> block added to their default embed code, so that
> the video still works (but without subtitles) if people have JS turned off?

First, if you use the widgetizer method of embedding videos here and put the script code (here: http://universalsubtitles.org/) in the page header, videos will be unaffected when somebody arrives at the page with JS turned off.

Second, we just fixed an issue requested by James Socol in support.mozilla, to remove all document.writes from the code due to security concerns (I believe). 

(In reply to comment #16)
> (In reply to comment #15)
> > I just got off the phone with Dean from the Universal Subtitles project:
> 
> David, thanks for sorting this out. To be clear, we'll be waiting until the
> first step ("They are going to resolve the open technical issues...") is
> addressed before any more action is taken on this bug.

Lastly, we agreed with Steven Garrity a few weeks back that he would test the impact on page load time of loading the Universal Subtitles widget asynchronously on the mozilla.com development stage site, and we clarified that it's possible to test this immediately.  

Splitting the JS as discussed above isn't practical for a few reasons (mainly: without undermining the user experience we want to create, there's no straightforward way to reduce the size of the code to, say, less than 80k-100k).

Steven-- what were the results of that test?
> (In reply to comment #13)
> > Also, can we have a <noscript> block added to their default embed code, so that
> > the video still works (but without subtitles) if people have JS turned off?
> 
> First, if you use the widgetizer method of embedding videos here and put the
> script code (here: http://universalsubtitles.org/) in the page header, videos
> will be unaffected when somebody arrives at the page with JS turned off.

Oops, Adam reminds me:

They don't want bulky js in the page header because it slows down page loading time. They want it at the end of the body element or somewhere close to the end of the document. They can also just add the script asynchronously -- it's a well-known trick.
Depends on: 669907
Depends on: 669911
I created two new bugs that block this bug, for the outstanding issues in this thread. 669907 and 669911

Are there any other reasons why we wouldn't be ready to deploy Universal Subtitles on a few test videos on moz.org/moz.com? We'd really like to begin soliciting feedback from the community!
Both blockers have been addressed. Widgetizer.js is 75% lighter and the document.write methods are gone.

Please have a look so we can progress to a test integration on some part of mozilla.org.

I'll connect with David about where the best place would be.

Cheers,
Ben
Component: www.mozilla.org/firefox → www.mozilla.org
Component: www.mozilla.org → General
Product: Websites → www.mozilla.org
Blocks: 685648
Currently videos are uploaded to YouTube and subtitles are also synced from Amara (formerly known as Universal Subtitles) to YouTube. I think this can be WONTFIXed.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 10 years ago
Resolution: --- → WONTFIX
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