1484532 - No compatible Lightning version for TB 60 available at ATN (no Lightning available for TB installations from Linux distributions that have no Lightning package or rely on ATN/AMO for providing a localized Lightning version)

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(Calendar :: Lightning Only, defect)

Description

[Frank K]

User Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:61.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/61.0
Build ID: 20180807170231

Steps to reproduce:

Update to TB 60.0 in a German environment.


Actual results:

Lightning is only available in English.


Expected results:

German version of Lightning, which is also not available via add-ons.

Comment 1

[Frank K]

FYI: openSUSE Tumbleweed/Leap 15.0

Comment 2

[Frank K]

Since there has been no progress on the above-mentioned issue, I am using the German beta version of Lightning from https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/6.2b6-candidates/build1/linux-x86_64/ for the time being.

Comment 3

[Frank K]

Is there any news or progress to be expected?

Comment 4

[Stefan Sitter [:ssitter]]

Does it work using the official Mozilla packages? The German Thunderbird 60.2.1 package should include German Lightning 6.2.2.1: https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/#de

Comment 5

[Frank K]

Using the official Mozilla packages works as expected. However, since there is a longstanding bug on the openSUSE side regarding Lightning and its localization (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939153), it is important to have it available as an addon. Currently only version 5.4 is provided at https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/lightning/. Thanks, anyway.

Comment 6

[Stefan Sitter [:ssitter]]

As a temporary workaround you could test to manually install the Lightning package by taking the .xpi from the Mozilla package, i.e. extract thunderbird-60.2.1.tar.bz2 and take thunderbird/distribution/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}.xpi.

Comment 7

[sistemas]

(In reply to FK from comment #2)
> Since there has been no progress on the above-mentioned issue, I am using
> the German beta version of Lightning from
> https://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/calendar/lightning/candidates/6.2b6-candidates/
> build1/linux-x86_64/ for the time being.

Had the same problem with TB 60 on debian stretch and spanish language, can confirm this solution works.

Comment 11

[[:MakeMyDay]]

Lightning isn't currently available as downloadable multi-locale addon at ATN (formerly AMO)[1] nor is a separate official language pack available that contains Lightning localizations.

If you install Thunderbird from the official website[2], Lightning is bundled and appropriately localized.

If you have troubles on aupdate check the trouble shooting kb article at [3] first, especially if your not on Linux.

If you have installed Thunderbird from the repository of your *Linux* distribution, for the time being you can either

- switch to the Mozilla builds of Thunderbird available at [2]
- install Lightning from the distributions package manager if available (Lightning is probably not localized if you are on a not en-US locale)
- download the Mozilla Thunderbird package from [2], extract the pacakge and take the Lighting addon {e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}.xpi from the distribution/extensions sub-folder therein and install it from file via addons manager to your current TB60 installation.

[1] https://addons.thunderbird.net/de/thunderbird/addon/lightning/
[2] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/all/
[3] https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/calendar-updates-issues-thunderbird#w_when-i-use-my-user-profile-from-a-previous-thunderbird-version-with-a-newer-version-of-thunderbird-lightning-is-not-updated

Comment 12

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto [:gcp]]

This now hit all Ubuntu users as well.

Comment 13

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto [:gcp]]

Could we add a notice or link to this bug or workaround on the ATN/ATMO page? There's a lot of users getting frustrated there, it's hard to find this bug, etc.

Fixing it on Ubuntu was simply installing the xul-ext-lightning package, but unless you find this bug the situation is very confusing.

Comment 14

[momo42]

No, installing xul-ext-lightning is not the solution as it doesn't provide localization. :-/

This ubuntu/linux problem persists for nearly one decade now but all ubuntu bug reports Ifound have been closed with the hint, users should install lightning from AddOns to have a translated calendar. :-/

Comment 15

[momo42]

Found many people complaining about this in various forums. To make it clear. I think, this problem should be solved on the linux package side but as this wasn't solved for so many years I don't think we will see any progress soon. And providing the current Lightning via Thunderbird-AddOns doesn't hurt anyone. Lightning is shown as the most installed AddOn by the way. But no compatible version available ... m(

Comment 16

[Rolf Gloor]

Since Lightning is now an integrated part of Thunderbird:
Why is it such a big problem, to integrate Lightning localization into the Thunderbird localization file?
So when installing Thunderbird (MozillaThunderbird) from a distro repository, and also installing the localization file(s) (MozillaThunderbird-translations-common, MozillaThunderbird-translations-others), Thunderbird AND Lightning are BOTH translated at the SAME TIME!

Comment 17

[Mark Matis]

For those using Ubuntu 16.04, temporary fix from "https://ubuntuforums.org/search.php?searchid=18412438":

"Remove lightning the add-on which you probably got from the T'Bird add-on site and install the xul-ext-lightning package in the usual way for installing software.

It's the same add-on but this repository version is updated when the ubuntu repos are, and it will work with the T'Bird version you have."

Comment 18

[bm_witness]

While the xul-ext-lightning solution isn't a solution for locales, I ran into the same issue even in the English locale on Linux (Kubuntu 18.04), and had to manually tell Thunberbird to install from the version in /usr/lib/thunderbird-addons to get it to update after installing the package.

Documenting here just in case someone else runs into the same issue.

Again, this would have been resolved if Lightning was in the Thunderbird Addons so it could just update it like every other add-on.

Comment 20

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto [:gcp]]

>this would have been resolved if Lightning was in the Thunderbird Addons

It's included with Thunderbird and automatically updates with it, so there's no point with it. This is a packaging issue, you won't get this problem with the official release.

Comment 21

[momo42]

But please realize that there are thousands of linux users on different distros who installed lightning from AddOns because it has ever been the recommended and only(!) way to have a localized calendar. I absolutely agree with you that this is a packaging issue that - finally - has to be resolved on the distro side but in the meantime it would help a lot to have a working calendar. Thunderbird+Lightning is an important business tool and the main MS Outlook replacement for Linux users and now many of them are left without a working calendar. :(

Comment 22

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

Why not just keeping the email app only for email?

Comment 23

[momo42]

What a stange comment...

If the radio in your car breaks and display language is garbled or permanently switched to mandarin:
Don't repair it! - Instead ask, why not just keeping the car only to driving.

The comment got even stranger when I saw that you(?) switched the corresponding ubuntu translation bug from confirmed to triaged in 2015. But after that nothing further happened:
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/545778

To answer your question: I was fine with two separate apps (Thunderbird + Sunbird, or via AddOn) but calendar addon has been so popular that mozilla people decided to integrate it. The numbers show that users really want this - mybe because Outlook, Gmail and other mail providers combine this functionality too. The missing translation in ubuntu is an open problem for over eight years now but it was covered by the presence of Lightning AddOn. Now Thunderbird pulled the plug and the problem has to be solved - finally.

Comment 24

[Alberto Salvia Novella]

My comment has little to do with the calendar being broken, but with having all integrated being a bad design to start with.

Specially when you combine a productivity tool, like the calendar, with a big source of distration, like the email client.

Comment 25

[Frank K]

Whether the calendar should be separated from the e-mail client is a fundamental question, which should be discussed elsewhere. The current issue/bug hits many linux/distro users and I do hope that there will be a solution soon.

Comment 26

[Fabian Rodriguez:MagicFab]

For Debian since Jessie (2015) the packages for Lightning localization are lightning-l10n-* (including for TB 60+). I've installed new systems recently and adding lightning-l10-fr provided proper, full localization in French for Lightning, using only my distribution packages.

See:
https://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=lightning-l10n&searchon=names&suite=all&section=all

For Ubuntu, see this (tl;dr: Invalid/unsolved):

* https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1074268
* https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/thunderbird/+bug/545778

Comment 27

[Martin Pecka]

@[:MakeMyDay]: How do I get a compatible version of gdata provider for lightning extracted from tb installer? I see release date of the latest version on ATN (Sept 16) is earlier than the release date of Lightning 6.2.2.1 (Oct 2 according to https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/Calendar_Versions#Stable_Releases ). Or does it mean the gdata provider does not need an update?

Also, there's no answer in this thread for the question why there is no (at least English-only) release of Lightning on ATN. Can we help it somehow?

Comment 28

[Gian-Carlo Pascutto [:gcp]]

>here's no answer in this thread for the question why there is no (at least English-only) release of Lightning on ATN. 

Aside from comment 4, comment 11 and comment 20 which explain that it's now included with Thunderbird...

Comment 29

[Worcester12345]

(In reply to Rolf Gloor from comment #16)
> Since Lightning is now an integrated part of Thunderbird:
> Why is it such a big problem, to integrate Lightning localization into the
> Thunderbird localization file?
> So when installing Thunderbird (MozillaThunderbird) from a distro
> repository, and also installing the localization file(s)
> (MozillaThunderbird-translations-common,
> MozillaThunderbird-translations-others), Thunderbird AND Lightning are BOTH
> translated at the SAME TIME!e

It is not totally integrated into Thunderbird. That is covered in 
Bug 1493008
Please remove all Addon/Extension code from Lightning, and integrate full calendar functionality directly into Thunderbird



(In reply to FK from comment #25)
> Whether the calendar should be separated from the e-mail client is a
> fundamental question, which should be discussed elsewhere. The current
> issue/bug hits many linux/distro users and I do hope that there will be a
> solution soon.

See above.

Comment 30

[[:MakeMyDay]]

(In reply to Martin Pecka from comment #27)
> @[:MakeMyDay]: How do I get a compatible version of gdata provider for
> lightning extracted from tb installer? I see release date of the latest
> version on ATN (Sept 16) is earlier than the release date of Lightning
> 6.2.2.1 (Oct 2 according to
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Mozilla/Calendar/
> Calendar_Versions#Stable_Releases ). Or does it mean the gdata provider does
> not need an update?
> 
> Also, there's no answer in this thread for the question why there is no (at
> least English-only) release of Lightning on ATN. Can we help it somehow?

We will provide an ATN version, but there is no eta available. You should keep pushing your distributions to provide appropriate packages (this is what you help with).

The Provider for Google 4.4.2 is the up-to-date version to work with Lightning 6.2.x - there is not a separate release of it for every Lightning version.

Comment 31

[[:MakeMyDay]]

(In reply to Worcester12345 from comment #29)
> It is not totally integrated into Thunderbird. That is covered in 
> Bug 1493008
> Please remove all Addon/Extension code from Lightning, and integrate full
> calendar functionality directly into Thunderbird

That is not subject of this bug. Apart, from that, this is not going to happen. Lightning will technically stay an extension.

Comment 32

[Worcester12345]

(In reply to [:MakeMyDay] from comment #31)
> (In reply to Worcester12345 from comment #29)
> > It is not totally integrated into Thunderbird. That is covered in 
> > Bug 1493008
> > Please remove all Addon/Extension code from Lightning, and integrate full
> > calendar functionality directly into Thunderbird
> 
> That is not subject of this bug. Apart, from that, this is not going to
> happen. Lightning will technically stay an extension.

Technically speaking, the solution in Bug 1493008 would solve the problem posed in this bug. It would greatly simplify the entire build environment, where there are no longer ANY mismatches of versions or languages, as it is all one piece of software.  

They said at one time that Thunderbird would NEVER ship with Lightning either. 

Patience.

Comment 34

[luckyrings]

(In reply to Stefan Sitter [:ssitter] from comment #6)
> As a temporary workaround you could test to manually install the Lightning
> package by taking the .xpi from the Mozilla package, i.e. extract
> thunderbird-60.2.1.tar.bz2 and take
> thunderbird/distribution/extensions/{e2fda1a4-762b-4020-b5ad-a41df1933103}.
> xpi.

Have had the same problem with Ubuntu 16.04 LTS .Thunderbird "lightning" plugin was deactivated since Update to thunderbird 60.1.2. And not available in the offical plugin store.

Thanks for the Workaround, I am installed version 6.2b6 manually. it works.

Comment 35

[Mikhail Zabaluev]

Fedora bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1645362

Comment 36

[Worcester12345]

Seeing the same thing in English also.

This is Windows 7, 64 bit. Took the update from Help:About, and calendar was gone after reboot. Go to Tools:Addons, and it says Lightning is incompatible.

THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE!

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1505822

Comment 37

[Worcester12345]

(In reply to Gian-Carlo Pascutto [:gcp] from comment #20)
> >this would have been resolved if Lightning was in the Thunderbird Addons
> 
> It's included with Thunderbird and automatically updates with it, so there's
> no point with it. This is a packaging issue, you won't get this problem with
> the official release.

GETTING THIS PROBLEM WITH "OFFICIAL RELEASE".

Comment 38

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

Attachment: Lightning 6.2.3 (Thunderbird 60.3.0)

Ok, testing a new script that unifies Lightning. I'll need folks to test this version, it is based on Thunderbird 60.3.0. I'd like feedback for someone testing en-US, and someone testing any other locale.

Please install it and do a basic smoketest (open event dialogs, do some event modifications in the view, check the options, etc) and verify that there are no loading errors.

For the non-en-US Thunderbird users, please check to see if the interface is being localized. Note that for some locales there may be some occasional English mixed in if the localizers didn't translate all strings.

Comment 39

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

Thank you everyone for the comments. I went ahead and tagged some of the comments to make reading this bug a bit easier to digest. I don't mean this personally in any way. We acknowledge this is a problem, and I am looking to upload to ATN soon. I'm sorry this hasn't occurred sooner and hope that you will soon again be able to use your localized versions.

Comment 42

[Martin Pecka]

Thanks, Philipp. I tried to use your XPI with my stock TB 60.2.1 on Ubuntu (I edited the manifest to allow installation). Everything works nicely, including cz_CZ locale.

The only related thing that showed in the console is the following string translation, but that may also be because I'm using it with 60.2.1:

PluralForm.jsm: Index #2 of 'Proběhne každá středa
platí od 31. 10. 18 #5 krát
od 20:15 do 22:00.;Proběhne každá středa
platí od 31. 10. 18 #5 krát
od 20:15 do 22:00.' for value 10 is invalid -- plural rule #8; called by recurrenceRule2String


System info:

$ uname -a
Linux peci1-Latitude-E6540 4.19.0-041900-generic #201810221809 SMP Mon Oct 22 22:11:45 UTC 2018 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux

$ lsb_release -a
No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID:	Ubuntu
Description:	Ubuntu 14.04.5 LTS
Release:	14.04
Codename:	trusty

$ aptitude search thunderbird | grep ^i
i A thunderbird                     - Email, RSS and newsgroup client with integ
i   thunderbird-globalmenu          - Email, RSS and newsgroup client (transitio
i   thunderbird-gnome-support       - Email, RSS and newsgroup client - GNOME su
i   thunderbird-locale-cs           - Czech language pack for Thunderbird       
i A thunderbird-locale-en           - English language pack for Thunderbird     
i   thunderbird-locale-en-gb        - Transitional English language pack for Thu
i   thunderbird-locale-en-us        - Transitional English language pack for Thu

$ aptitude search xul-ext
idA xul-ext-calendar-timezones                                              - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird (transitional package)                        
p   xul-ext-calendar-timezones:i386                                         - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird (transitional package)                        
p   xul-ext-deejayd-webui                                                   - Deejayd web user interface XUL extension                                         
v   xul-ext-enigmail                                                        -                                                                                  
v   xul-ext-enigmail:i386                                                   -                                                                                  
p   xul-ext-gdata-provider                                                  - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird (transitional package)                        
p   xul-ext-gdata-provider:i386                                             - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird (transitional package)                        
p   xul-ext-https-finder                                                    - extension that detects valid HTTPS pages as you browse                           
p   xul-ext-lightning                                                       - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird                                               
p   xul-ext-lightning:i386                                                  - Calendar Extension for Thunderbird                                               
p   xul-ext-mozvoikko                                                       - Finnish spell-checker extension for Firefox                                      
i   xul-ext-ubufox                                                          - Ubuntu modifications for Firefox                                                 
i   xul-ext-unity                                                           - Firefox extension: Unity Integration                                             
i   xul-ext-webaccounts                                                     - Ubuntu Online Accounts extension for firefox                                     
p   xul-ext-webaccounts:i386                                                - Ubuntu Online Accounts extension for firefox                                     
i   xul-ext-websites-integration                                            - Firefox extension: Website Integration                                           
p   xul-ext-y-u-no-validate                                                 - browser extension to make security exceptions temporary by default  

$ LANG=C apt-cache policy thunderbird
thunderbird:
  Installed: 1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2
  Candidate: 1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2
  Version table:
 *** 1:60.2.1+build1-0ubuntu0.14.04.2 0
        500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-updates/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://security.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty-security/main amd64 Packages
        100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
     1:24.4.0+build1-0ubuntu1 0
        500 http://de.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages
        500 http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ trusty/main amd64 Packages

Comment 43

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

Attachment: Lightning 6.2.2.1 (Thunderbird 60.2.1)

Thanks for testing Martin! I've packaged Lightning 6.2.2.1 as well, can you test that with your Thunderbird? I want to check if this is a translation issue or an issue with the code.

Comment 44

[Rolf Gloor]

Hi Philipp
I just installed your posted Lightning over the existing 6.2.3.
Running openSUSE 15, fully patched, in (Swiss) German localization.

Findings:

- Installed without (notable) error messages or issues (Didn't know where to look for logs)

- After TB restart: Immediately had German translated Lightning

- Did open various edit dialogs - all looking fine so far

- Went into the options: -> One issue: Categorie - Colors
Categorie colors are gone (except Status, which seems to be same word for German and English)
(No Problem for me, since I don't use the categories colors, but only different colors for different calendars. But those using it might have a problem with that.)


Phillip: Thank you for your great work.  :-)

Comment 45

[Rolf Gloor]

Found another small (cosmetic) issue.

The Lightning options dialog (pop-up window) is too small for some localizations. And it doesn't adjust automatically to the right width and doesn't keep manual adjustments.

In the reminder tab of the Lightning options, in the reminder sound "section"/area, there are 3 buttons. In the German localization, the text is longer than in English and the buttons don't fit to the dialog window.

One can change the size of the options dialog window. However, after closing and re-opening, it is back to the too small width.
(If it could remind it size, issue could be solved.)

As said: No big issue for me (nothing at all in comparison to the localization issue before), but just reporting the findings.
(= NO show stopper!)

Comment 46

[Martin Pecka]

The translation bug is still there even with the repackaged XPI for 60.2.1.

I discovered one more issue (not sure if it was there with the adapted XPI for 60.3).

When I open the "Create new calendar" dialog, this shows up in the error console:

"Handler function DebuggerProgressListener.prototype.onWindowCreated threw an exception: TypeError: window is undefined
Stack: getWindowID@resource://devtools/shared/base-loader.js -> resource://devtools/server/actors/tab.js:38:3
DebuggerProgressListener.prototype.onWindowCreated<@resource://devtools/shared/base-loader.js -> resource://devtools/server/actors/tab.js:1551:19
exports.makeInfallible/<@resource://devtools/shared/base-loader.js -> resource://devtools/shared/ThreadSafeDevToolsUtils.js:109:14
_fireEvent@chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:427:26
set_currentPage@chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:103:11
advance@chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:290:15
wizard_XBL_Constructor@chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:205:9
Line: 38, column: 3"  ThreadSafeDevToolsUtils.js:88:5
	reportException resource://devtools/shared/ThreadSafeDevToolsUtils.js:88:5
	exports.makeInfallible/< resource://devtools/shared/ThreadSafeDevToolsUtils.js:115:7
	_fireEvent chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:427:26
	set_currentPage chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:103:11
	advance chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:290:15
	wizard_XBL_Constructor chrome://global/content/bindings/wizard.xml:205:9

Comment 47

[Rolf Gloor]

A) To clarify my comments 44 and 45:
I did install the Lightning Add-On 6.2.3 as Philipp has published here as Attachment #9023766 [details] (between comment 42 and 43).
I did no packaging into a TB installation file. Just manually updating the Lightning Add-On.

B) Based on Martins comment 46, I did create some new local calendars. I added some events and finally deleted the calendar. For me, it all worked without any problems.

Comment 48

[Worcester12345]

Thunderbird updated to 60.3.1. Does there need to be a corresponding patch here?

Comment 49

[Frank K]

FYI: Current version of Lightning (6.2.5) is available via https://addons.thunderbird.net/addon/lightning/ again.

Comment 50

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

Yeah, I pushed these through. The locale issue doesn't seem to be specific to these repacks, but could be a locale issue also happening in a stock Thunderbird. Please check with a stock Thunderbird on a new profile and file a bug accordingly if the locale issue still exists. Thanks for the patience!

Comment 51

[momo42]

(In reply to Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen] [:📆] from comment #50)

Yeah, I pushed these through. The locale issue doesn't seem to be specific to these repacks, but could be a locale issue also happening in a stock Thunderbird. Please check with a stock Thunderbird on a new profile and file a bug accordingly if the locale issue still exists. Thanks for the patience!

Thank you so much for fixing this issue! Would you please have a look at this corresponding and very long lasting ubuntu lightning translation f**kup?

https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-sunbird/+bug/545778

I know that this is not your fault but you are my last hope in this case. Many many people suffer from missing lightning translation and I think this is because of fatal misunderstanding between Thunderbird devs and Ubuntu packet maintainers, where the translation has to take place. In Ubuntu thunderbird and lightning are still separate packages but the lightning one without any translation.

Installing (translated) Lightning from Addrons instead from ubuntu repo has been the recommended (dirty) workaround for many years. Dirty because this led to version mismatches here and there. And now ubuntu users had no translated lightning for some months again.

Could you please try to bring this problem to the right audience so that this bug can be finally solved? Thank you!

Rolando

Comment 52

[Frank K]

This issue is not limited to Ubuntu, but also appears in other distros like openSUSE, where the bug is open since 2015 (https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=939153).

Comment 53

[momo42]

To make it clear. I think the integration of Lightning into Thunderbird was a good thing. And there should be no need for Lightning Addon version anymore. But the (for 8+ years) unsolved localization problem(s) make it a real pain for Linux users. The package maintainers don't hear for their users and refuse to deliver translation and the Thunderbird people say (with reason): 'It is not our fault that Ubuntu/Fedora/RedHat/... people deliver our product in a broken state.' Any ideas how to fix this misery?

Comment 54

[Ulf Zibis]

(In reply to Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen] [:📆] from comment #50)

Yeah, I pushed these through. The locale issue doesn't seem to be specific to these repacks, but could be a locale issue also happening in a stock Thunderbird. Please check with a stock Thunderbird on a new profile and file a bug accordingly if the locale issue still exists. Thanks for the patience!

From my side also a big thanks to your effort.

For me the integration of Lightning into TB was no good idea. I is fundamentally in contrast to the splitting of the historical Netscape Communicator into separate apps, aka Firefox, Thunderbird etc.. A calendar is a different type of application than email, and only a part of TB users make use of it. Some use other applications for their calendar issues, so why should they lug it around. It's also confusing to the user to present the calendar as an extension which is not really true.

Additionally I do not like that addons have to lug around there localisations in their XPI package. It absurdly blows up the footprint of Mozilla's personal profiles so much. Mozilla should also officially support global extensions, e.g. bug 432656, bug 300967.

So IMHO Debian/Ubuntu's approach with a separate package is the right way, but incomplete. Little bases are existing:
https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightning-extension-locales
https://cdimage.debian.org/ubuntu/ubuntu/pool/universe/l/lightning-extension-locales/

Comment 55

[Mark Matis]

Two questions:

How does Thunderbird work this issue with Microsoft and Apple?

Might it not make sense to do something similar for the various flavors of Linux?

Comment 56

[[:MakeMyDay]]

Please stop commenting on a fixed bug, especially when getting off topic to the scope of the bug - this is an issue tracker not a discussion forum. For discussions we have discourse [1] or the mailing lists.

Thank you.

[1] https://discourse.mozilla.org/c/thunderbird

Comment 57

[Philipp Kewisch [:Fallen][☁️📆]]

Hi Folks,

this bug is already restricted to those with editbugs, yet there are still various off-topic comments, as MakeMyDay just mentioned. Please make sure you have read the bugzilla etiquette and the Mozilla Participation Guidelines. Continued discussion on restricted bugs can also lead to further consequences such as revoking your editbugs rights.

While I can certainly talk to package maintainers, this is really an issue they need to solve. It may be more difficult now since there is no clear path for getting localized Lighting xpis or building the l10n repacked versions, but the data is there so it just needs to be put together right.