528943 - [tracking] Firefox 3.6 firstrun/whatsnew localization

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Description

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Attachment: files to translate (for localizers without SVN access)

This is a tracking bug for the localization of the new firstrun and whatsnew pages for Firefox 3.6. 
 
Per locale bugs will be filed for the actual translation work.

Those per-locale bugs are the ones to use to attach your translated files or give the revision of your translation.

These pages are located on a separate svn branch only for 3.6 work:

https://svn.mozilla.org/projects/mozilla.com/branches/firefox3.6/ADDYOURLOCALECODEHERE

You will first need to check out your repository, example in a console for Chinese:

svn co https://svn.mozilla.org/projects/mozilla.com/branches/firefox3.6/zh-CN/ .

There are 3 pages to translate, all very short, you have a copy of these pages in your locale folder on svn, here are the paths:

/firefox/3.6/firstrun/index.html
/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/index.html
/includes/l10n/in-product-3.6.inc.php

The last file (in-product-3.6.inc.php) is used by both firstrun and whatsnew pages.

I am also attaching to this bug an archive of the files to translate for those that do not have SVN access.

The staging site for these pages currently works for en-US so you can see what the pages will be like:

http://www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/firstrun/
http://www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/

(you need Firefox 3.6beta to display the pages correctly).

I will put a notice in this bug when the staging server works for localized pages too so as that you can check how your translations fit.

Thanks!

Comment 1

[Michael Köhler [:Coce]]

On the staging pages, just below the images of Personas, there's a link pointing to <http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/getting_started>. The link text is "What are Personas?". However, I can't find that text in the files I translated.
How do we translate that text?

Comment 2

[John Slater]

(In reply to comment #1)
> On the staging pages, just below the images of Personas, there's a link
> pointing to <http://www.getpersonas.com/en-US/getting_started>. The link text
> is "What are Personas?". However, I can't find that text in the files I
> translated.
> How do we translate that text?

Hi Michael. I'd be glad to help here, but I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. What information do you need, exactly?

Also, I should note that this link takes you to an en-US page, so if anyone is uncomfortable with localizing it you can leave it out (it was a late addition to the page). But, if you are comfortable with localizing it then it's a helpful thing to have on there.

Comment 3

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Michael, that link was a late addition to the page and it leads to a section that is not going to be localized for 3.6, that's why it was not included in the files to localize.

Comment 4

[Sarah Doherty (:sarah)]

Hi all,

If Facebook is not a viable option for your locale, here are some other social networking groups that may work instead.  If you would like to recommend your own we are also open to that, but please let me know so I can add to the ever growing list - thanks!

----

BR
Orkut - http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=80527

CN:
Douban - http://www.douban.com/group/Firefox

DE:
Xing - https://www.xing.com/net/mozilla-firefox/
Xing - http://www.xing.com/group-9326.b04d2c/6426157 (non-members)

EN:
Bebo - http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=6852125959
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/Firefox
Friendster - http://profiles.friendster.com/99076130
Hi5 - http://www.hi5.com/friend/group/67848--Firefox%2Busers--front-html
Orkut - http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=708

EN (UK)
Orkut - http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=2710

FR
Skyrock - http://groups.skyrock.com/group/2a4z-Firefox-Fans-Club


IN
Orkut - http://www.orkut.co.in/Main#Community.aspx?cmm=7060453

JO
Facebook - http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=14628888871

JP
Mixi - http://mixi.jp/view_community.pl?id=644

PR
Hi5 - http://www.hi5.com/friend/group/2065562--Browser%2BFirefox--front-html

RU
Habrahabr - http://habrahabr.ru/blogs/firefox/
Liveinternet - http://www.liveinternet.ru/community/mozilla_firefox/friends
Livejournal - http://community.livejournal.com/mozilla_ru/

TH
Hi5 - http://www.hi5.com/friend/group/3913292--Firefox%2BThailand--front-html

Comment 5

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

The staging site is now functional.

Comment 6

[Fernando Pereira Silveira]

pt-BR would love to include the orkut community in addition to Facebook; is it possible?

if not, Facebook is still priority in this case...

Comment 7

[John Slater]

(In reply to comment #6)
> pt-BR would love to include the orkut community in addition to Facebook; is it
> possible?
> 
> if not, Facebook is still priority in this case...

It's really up to you - we want this decision to be in the hands of the localizers, because you guys know the needs of your local communities far better than anyone else. That's why Sarah posted that list of alternate sites in comment #4.

The only catch is that we only have room for two social networks in this layout. My assumption was that, because Orkut and Facebook have more in common with each other than they do with Twitter, most people would be choosing between Facebook and another local choice. But, like I said, ultimately it's up to you.

Thanks!

Comment 8

[Fernando Pereira Silveira]

hi john! actually, i was asking about orkut in addition to Facebook AND Twitter.

I understand that most of localizers would prefer replace Facebook with another social network, but since there's no room for a third social network, Facebook and Twitter are still my choices...

anyway, thank you for clarifying that!

Comment 9

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

Pascal, looks like there is a small problem with font. Have a look at czech (cs) translation (https://cs.www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/cs/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/) and look at non-ascii chars like "č", "ě" or "ď".

Comment 10

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Another problem in localized sites: the iframe loads a different page than en-US.

Example: https://it.www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/it/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/

Comment 11

[Michael Köhler [:Coce]]

We have finished the German (de) translation: r56345.

There are two issues with the layout, though:

The text on the left, describing Personas looks ugly with the line breaks. Would it be possible to change the layout, so the text fits in two lines, breaking as follows?:

Daraufhalten zum Ausprobieren,
anklicken zum Übernehmen

Additionally, the text "Werden Sie ein Fan auf Facebook" on the right has a line break. Would it be possible to make the text fit in one line?

* <https://de.www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/de/firefox/3.6/firstrun/>
* <https://de.www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/de/firefox/3.6/whatsnew/>

Comment 12

[John Slater]

(In reply to comment #11)
> There are two issues with the layout, though:

Hi Michael. Unfortunately I don't speak German so I can't advise you specifically, but you can definitely make whatever edits you deem necessary to make the layout work. Changing the line break on the Personas description text sounds fine, and keeping the Facebook text to a single line is important.

This applies to any other localizations facing a similar issue.

Thanks!

Comment 13

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Pavel, I already filed a bug about that : bug #529509, we'll get that fixed

Francesco, the bug you are seeing is on getpersonas locale detection, I also filed it this week: bug #529473

Michael, I already fixed lots of small issues via CSS yesterday, I'll keep on working on that this week and we will change the markup on a per locale basis as a last resort.

Comment 14

[Francesco Lodolo [:flod]]

Another consideration about the en-US whatsnew page: I think the title would be better without the closing period, since the result is "You’re now running Firefox 3.6.", or even worse "You’re now running Firefox 3.6.1."

Comment 15

[Seth Bindernagel]

(In reply to comment #14)
> Another consideration about the en-US whatsnew page: I think the title would be
> better without the closing period, since the result is "You’re now running
> Firefox 3.6.", or even worse "You’re now running Firefox 3.6.1."

Interesting suggestion.  But, with that new sentence suggestion, you have no punctuation at the end.  Does that seem odd to the average end-user who may read the sentence and think of a lack of punctuation before the dangling version number?  I don't really know because I can see both points.  It is a title of a page.  Does that allow for more flexibility with punctuation?

Comment 16

[Rimas Kudelis [use needinfo to ping]]

Pascal, is it intended that the two links to Mozilla's mission lead to two different URL's?

From firstrun: /<?=$lang?>/firefox/about/
From whatsnew: /<?=$lang?>/about/whatismozilla.html

Comment 17

[Rimas Kudelis [use needinfo to ping]]

Another thing: it looks like the MetaBold font face used in these pages doesn't support even latin-based accented characters. Mozilla should look into acquiring a version with bigger character repertoire.

Comment 18

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Rq, yes the different url are intended and we bought the larger set of fonts after I filed a bug about it.

Comment 19

[Amed Çeko Jiyan]

Attachment: Kurdish (ku) files

Kurdish (ku) files.

Comment 20

[Amed Çeko Jiyan]

Attachment: Kurdish (ku) - translation of a line has been changed

Translation of a line about 'personas' in-product-3.6.inc.php has been changed. Firstly i didn't understand how personas work. But i got it now.

Comment 21

[Pavel Cvrcek [:JasnaPaka]]

Why link to Personas goes to GetPersonas.com (which is in English) instead of AMO which is translated to many languages?

Comment 22

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Pavel, because getpersonas.com is where the Personas are and can be installed (the lightweigth themes, not the extension). We also have plans to propose getpersonas.com for localization.

Comment 23

[Vlado Valastiak [:wladow]]

Pascal, there are thousands of Personas available on amo. Check the https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/personas/ where you can find over 36000 Personas ready for instant installation. Localizing getpersonas.com is just pointless additional pressure on the localizers.

Comment 24

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Vlado, I didn't know about it. That's a very good point. Let's keep the getpersonas.com link for now (I can mass change it for all locales), I will meet the Personas folks next week (trip to the US) and discuss that with them face to face ! :)

Comment 25

[Tim Guan-tin Chien [:timdream] (please needinfo)]

Questions:

1. I noticed there are 110n mods in {$config['file_root']}/includes/headers/3.6/firstrun-l10n.inc.php. Should I submit CSS for my own locale or you would do it for us?

2. There has been some discussion on l10n-dev mailing list about "Personas" as a (do-not-translate) brand name and "parsona" as a (translatable) generic noun. So how about "Choose Your Persona" (lower caps, singular) on the title? Is it translatable? If so, how do we expose brand name if it is translated?

Comment 26

[Thomas Schwecherl]

I noticed that the font size has increased; now some buttons have a line break. Should this reverted to a smaller font size so that there ar no line breaks?

Comment 27

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Thomas, I'll check style for CSS for all locales when we have most of them translated.

Comment 28

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Tim, to answer your questions:
1/ no, I will do it
2/ I looked at your pages and I think the way you did it is good

Comment 29

[(no longer active)]

Is there a staging server available for testing Persian (fa) translation with regard to how it looks like in RTL mode?

Comment 30

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

Ehsan, here it is: https://fa.www-3.6.stage.mozilla.com/fa/firefox/3.6/firstrun/

Comment 31

[Manoj Kumar Giri]

Attachment: Translated file for Oriya (or)

Translation for Oriya (or).

Comment 32

[Shankar Prasad]

Attachment: Kannada(kn) translations of whatsnew/firstrun localization

Comment 33

[Manoj Kumar Giri]

Attachment: Corrected translation file for Oriya (or)

Corrected the missing translation for Oriya (or).

Comment 34

[Felix]

Attachment: Tamil (ta) Translation

Tamil (ta) Translation.

Comment 35

[Pascal Chevrel:pascalc]

all dependencies fixed, closing the tracking bug