Closed
Bug 67376
Opened 24 years ago
Closed 15 years ago
Tracking bug for help system for Mozilla
Categories
(SeaMonkey :: Help Documentation, defect)
SeaMonkey
Help Documentation
Tracking
(Not tracked)
RESOLVED
FIXED
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(Reporter: rudman, Assigned: neil)
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Checkin planned prior to M9. This bug tracks the known issues for the Help system---general problems to solve (prior to checkin). 1. Make HTML help content files part of the individual component installs (affects RDF overlay items). 2. Need to build help.jar (and register it). 3. Set up commercial build so that it overwrites the mozilla help content. 4. Await XBLification of browser (dependency on what bug?). 5. Remove existing NS chrome.
[need to set target milestone andn keywords appropriately...working on that]
Priority: -- → P1
Comment 2•24 years ago
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Accepting, adding dependency: I have a basic help viewer to check-in, but I am waiting for the browser to be fully "XBL-ified" per bug 65412 Also adding samir to the cc: list because I believe he has offered some extra help on the check-in and install process. Thanks, Samir :)
Status: NEW → ASSIGNED
Depends on: 65412
Comment 3•24 years ago
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Note that you can do everything you need by using code like in navigator.js instead of the code I sent you. Once I land 65412, you can optionally switch to the new code, but the old code should still work...
Comment 4•24 years ago
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jag: Thanks. Does that mean that <browser/> is alrady partially xbl-ified?: return getBrowser().webNavigation; And is your landing bound to happen soon, or is it a maybe? You're just waiting in the sr= queue, right?
Comment 5•24 years ago
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Yeah, browser is already in xbl, but it's only got a couple of properties. http://lxr.mozilla.org/seamonkey/source/xpfe/global/resources/content/xulBinding s.xml#549
Comment 6•24 years ago
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Yep, and those few are currently enough to get where Ian wants to go. Ian: it could take a while actually... It's in hyatt's "comments" queue, after which I'll probably have to do some rewriting, then get r= and sr=. I wouldn't wait for it.
Comment 7•24 years ago
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I can't really diff-n-show this, but I need approval on the following "first stage" of getting the help into Mozilla. Ben, I thought you might give me the word on this or point me to someone else who should: * cvs remove ns/tpubs/ns6/helpchrome/jar.mn, makefiles, & helpchrome/* * remove link(s) to help window in ns help menu * add a directory: src/mozilla/xpfe/components/help * add the non-building help chrome in there: help.xul, help.js, helpMenuOverlay.xul, etc. This is so that the help will eventually be built as help.jar, a peer of comm.jar in the chrome directory (this in contrast to the commercial version, which was put in comm.jar).
Comment 8•24 years ago
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cc:ing asa, removing dependency, and going ahead with partially-xbl-ified browser widget per jag's suggestion.
No longer depends on: 65412
Comment 9•24 years ago
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I'm having some trouble getting the webNavigation interface through XBL. This snippet in my help.js code, used on the back button, returns something like "getWebNavigation has no properties": // <browser id="help-content" ... /> function getBrowser() { return document.getElementById("help-content"); } function getWebNavigation() { try { return getBrowser().webNavigation; } catch (e) { return null; } } function BrowserBack() { getWebNavigation().goBack(); // UpdateBackForwardButtons(); }
Comment 10•24 years ago
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Weird...can you e-mail me the relevant js/xul?
Comment 11•24 years ago
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You loathe me, Ben. I can see that now. Who else can approve the addition of these files (see comment on 2/6/01) to the mozilla source? The equally intractable hyatt? Jag, can you sr= this in? The presence of a help.jar at the root chrome level (with comm.jar, en-US.jar, etc.) is not a small deal. And I need to get going.
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Comment 12•24 years ago
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Changing product to Browser for better tracking.
Component: User → Help
Product: Documentation → Browser
Target Milestone: --- → mozilla0.9
Version: unspecified → other
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Comment 13•24 years ago
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Changing to Terri Preston for QA contact. Adding Sean Cotter to cc list. Adding nsbeta1 keyword. Note previous settting of m0.9 milestone.
Comment 14•24 years ago
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cc'ing leaf in here: I think I am going with the help-as-extension plan. Leaf, what do I have to do to register mozilla/extensions/help as an extension that gets built? I see MOZ_EXTENSIONS is populated with a short list of dirs under extensions/ in autocongif.mk, but I don't know how it gets there and what else might need to be done. Thanks. Thanks, too, jag for the work on the <browser>-using help.js.
Comment 15•24 years ago
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?: r=leaf, sr=alecf just for the following passive, non-building additions to src/mozilla/extensions?: mkdir help mkdir help/resources mkdir help/resources/content mkdir help/resources/locale mkdir help/resources/locale/en-US cp (help.xul, help.js, helpMenuOverlay.xul, contents.rdf) help/resources/content cp (all HTML content, help-toc.rdf, images subdirectory) help/resources/locale/en-US cvs add all cvs commit all These are just the basic chrome and content files, no makefiles and no jar.mn. I'd like to get the stuff into the source so we can get the chrome updates in (e.g., jag's xbl browser fixes) and so I can get some help on making it an extension and getting it registered as a package (e.g., browser.jst, packages-plat, jar.mn). Thanks.
Comment 16•24 years ago
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Comment 17•24 years ago
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yep, sounds like that's the right place for additions, ian. I think everyone agrees that having this on by default makes sense, and i can help make that so on unix/windows for you, but will need mac help.
Comment 18•24 years ago
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Comment 19•24 years ago
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Just checked in the basic (non-building) help stuff at mozilla/extensions/help/resources. Still need an r= and some hand-holding on the ns remove (see 2/15 attachment)
Comment 20•24 years ago
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This is a DUP of bug 16097. Ian O., please announce this bug on the .documentation newsgroup. How do we want to organize the help files? It should be possible to deselect the docs for any component individually, since the docs can be pretty large and I might have different knowledge of the components/applications in the suite. Should it be <chrome://component/help/bla> or <chrome://help/component/bla>? I favor the former.
Comment 21•24 years ago
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(cc'ing jatin, new writer for ns.) Ben: What do you say we call this the main bug and let the other one--which implied that we needed to *begin* talking about a Mozilla help strategy--slip away. And thanks for the suggestion: I will post a mesage to the n.p.m.docs (I thought I did, but I'm out of it :( ), and then let's talk about these issues. Great points already, Ben, and things I am thinking about. As for the chrome/location, I am shooting for chrome://help (sic!) and a jar at the chrome level called help.jar. In fact, this is what I made available in a provisional way in that help.xpi install I sent around a little while ago.
Comment 22•24 years ago
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Ian O.: Note: I was speaking about the help *contents*, not the help system / viewer.
Comment 23•24 years ago
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*** Bug 16097 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 24•24 years ago
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Eureka! With Andrew W's help, I was able to 1) put together a great way to pass context to the window from other parts of the UI and 2) get the right part of the toc tree selected. I will check these changes into the files in extensions/help and update the specs on the project page shortly, but in brief: 1) toOpenWindowByType(), the single-instance window opener defined in tasksOverlay.js that I have been using to make sure we only have a single help window open ( windowtype=mozilla:help) at any one time, now takes a chrome url that includes a special key at the end. For example, the url "chrome://help/content/help.xul?mail" includes a cgi-like "search" snippet at the end that can be retrieved with window.location.search. In the help.js, I have a JS object with members like this var key { "?mail": "chrome://help/locale/mail_help.html", ... } so that the help init can do this: if (window.location.search) { _Help_LoadContent(key[window.location.search]); } else { _Help_Home(); } This will load the mail help using the special "?mail" key at the end of the chrome url. (Note that Mozilla appears not to strip off the leading "?" on the search string. Is this a bug?) 2) Got selection working in the tree so that when a particular HTML document is loaded in the content subframe, the appropriate part of the toc tree will be selected: function _Help_TreeSelect(link_attr) { var items = document.getElementsByAttribute("helplink", link_attr); var parentRow = items[0].parentNode; var selectableNode = parentRow.parentNode; // helplink is an attribute // on a treecell, which cannot be selected var tree = document.getElementById("help-toc-tree"); tree.selectItem(selectableNode); } Call this function (e.g., in the init function above) with the key that corresponds to the content you want, and the viewer loads with the right part of the tree selected.
Comment 25•24 years ago
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Ian, will the Help Viewer be handling external http:// links or will they open/be sent to a browser window?
Comment 26•24 years ago
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It'll handle local and remote http. I think NS plans on doing served release notes in the Help window. BTW, just checked in the basic prototype for doing context sensitivity in helpMenuOverlay.xul (where there's a context-passing menuitem) and the updated help.js, which includes a couple of keys at the top. these are are mozilla/extensions/help/resources/content/ Spec updated as well
Comment 27•24 years ago
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Does this bug depend on bug 46226?
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Comment 28•24 years ago
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As this bug is a catch-all, and the new system is designed for (or at least allows) context-sensitivity, I don't think there is any dependency on bug 46226. Ian (or anyone else), unless you think otherwise, I'd mark 46226 as a dupe of this one.
Comment 29•24 years ago
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I'm just wondering, Ian, how help for commercial-only components is going to be done. Is there some plan for this, or are those components going to go out without help docs?
Comment 30•24 years ago
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We are going to use the chrome built from Mozilla and then destrutively overwrite just the HTML content and the RDF table of contents in the help.jar when we do the ns build. Shouldn't require any new chrome or structure, just additions to the content...And maybe UI where those new components want to call context-sensitive help.
Comment 31•24 years ago
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for the makefile.win change, you'll need to truncate the line previous to the one you're removing, or substitute $(NULL) for the line you're removing (trailing \, i thought, were bad for nmake). Other than that, r=leaf for the build changes.
Comment 32•24 years ago
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Got a not quite complete help.dtd into the help src this morning, posted a new doc at the projects page about how to use context-sensitivity (www.mozilla.org/projects/help-viewer/client_howto.html), and made a somewhat formal request for a code review of the stuff in src now so we can get it building ASAP
Comment 33•24 years ago
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Ian, have you thought yet about how you are goign to handle the monitoring of the Back/Forward UI widgets. In navigator.xul/.js, it uses broadcasters (canGoBack/canGoForward). There is an 'nsXULBrowserWindow' with a function onLocation which calls the function UpdateBackForwardButtons() that handles the observers. It would be nice if there was a way of doing this without duplicating the whole nsXULBrowserWindow class, and attaching an instance of it to window.XULBrowserWindow. I don't quite undertand yet how it fully works but it seems the above steps are needed to get full back/forward functionality
Comment 34•24 years ago
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kinger: jag will correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that one of the boons of having an xbl-ified <browser /> is that you can get .canGoBack and .canGoForward any time you want and not having to worry about managing the session history yourself. Though as you noted I haven't hooked it all the way up yet, we ought to be able to manage navigation and history with: goBack, goForward, canGoBack, and canGoForward. note also that I have eschewed the button states (disabled when there is no history, enabled when there is). This is another update we'll have to make.
Comment 35•24 years ago
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Well, I'm not sure about the session history object management. Personally I think it would be nice if the xbl-ified browser would take care of it for you, but there's a movement going to delay loading as many dlls as possible till after the window shows. I haven't thought of a way yet to get the binding to do this (other than adding an init method and explicitly calling that on a timer started from onload). Anyway, I'm attaching a mini-nav.xul, which is a very simplified version of our browser. It uses a JS Object implementing nsIWebProgressListener to act as glue between the docloader and the browser UI. Have fun :-)
Comment 36•24 years ago
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Comment 37•23 years ago
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jag: Just fixed (in my local build) the help.css for the modern.jar "refactoring". Checking this in shortly. But now, with the nav buttons present again, I get: JavaScript error: line 0: uncaught exception: [Exception... "Component returned failure code: 0x8 0004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE) [nsIWebNavigation.canGoBack]" nsresult: "0x80004005 (NS_ERROR_FAILURE)" location: "JS frame :: chrome://help/content/help.js :: goB ack :: line 71" data: no] Like it's not seeing the canGoBack property on webNavigation. This looks related to the error I showed you with loadURI(). And as I mentioned in IRC a moment ago, the toOpenWindowByType() from tasksOverlay is supposed to get the window-mediator datasource, but it doesn't look like it does so successfully right now. So I've had to use: <menuitem label="Help Direct" oncommand="window.open('chrome://help/content/help.xul', '_blank', 'chrome,menubar,toolbar,resizable,scrollbars');" /> But then I lose the single-instance-ing of that previous function. Do you know anything about this latter? Please advise. -ian
Comment 38•23 years ago
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General status on help window 03/27/00: sr=ben, r=hyatt on chrome yesterday, but having some trouble this morning with regressions (?), webNavigation stuff, and maybe with the window-opening function in the Help menu itself, which tries to get a window-mediator datasource and is failing (?) to do so. Working with jag on these problems--n'est-ce pas, jag? Have updates to help.css per hewitt's modern re-org to check in. Working on help build/installer tomorrow with samir's oversight, at which point we'll get, I hope, an sr=dveditz, r=samir on the install piece, and check the viewer in this week.
Comment 39•23 years ago
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jag, Just wanted to let you know that I think the trouble I was having displayin the help viewer has something to do with my calling menu item being in an overlay rather than with any regressive trouble with the window-mediator. Prassanna suggested using a construction like xmlterm does (also an extension, also using an overlay into the browser menus), where the toOpenWindowByType() function is wrapped by something in the overlay itself: <script> function toHelpWindow(uri){ toOpenWindowByType('mozilla:help', uri); } </script> Not sure why exactly this would improve things, but I am working on it now.
Comment 40•23 years ago
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Ian: so I've got a hacked up <helpbrowser/> which supports tooltips on its content. That's what you wanted, right? Or did you want tooltips on the chrome?
Comment 41•23 years ago
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jag: content tooltips is what I was thinking of. Great! I am moments away from checking the help build stuff in (see 74132), after which point I guess you can update the XUL (and the JS, you said) to use the new widget.
Comment 42•23 years ago
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what needs to be done here? no more features for 0.9 , moving to 0.9.1 of the work is done lets mark this ond fixed and put back on the 0.9 radar to make sure it gets tested... thanks
Target Milestone: mozilla0.9 → mozilla0.9.1
Comment 43•23 years ago
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*** Bug 76124 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 44•23 years ago
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Status Report (to answer chofmann's question): Help is in mozilla, built as a default extension Netscape packaging has been updated so it builds there too Issues: skin needs work: "Home" button and other cleanup linux installer builds still don't have help extension keys (ctrl + w) and broadcasters need to be hooked up html index needs to be done (have scripts for this) html content needs to be managed in commercial tree separately jag has <help_browser /> ready to be reviewed and checked in context-sensitive help buttons need to be done in the UI per spec I will write separate bugs for these issues and string them on to this one. There are others too, I'm sure.
Comment 45•23 years ago
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moving tracking bugs off the 0.9.1 radar. if there are key blockers in the help system for 0.9.1 or betas that come off that milestone lets get 'em on the list. thanks
Target Milestone: mozilla0.9.1 → ---
Comment 46•23 years ago
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*** Bug 80879 has been marked as a duplicate of this bug. ***
Comment 47•23 years ago
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Adding dependency to bug 81991, in which I describe some pesky context-sensitive and toc-selection problems I have been having. Help!
Depends on: 81991
Comment 48•23 years ago
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Adding the context-sensitive help bug as a dependency. Tracking some problems/imminent check-ins there.
Depends on: 46226
Comment 51•23 years ago
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Comment 52•23 years ago
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Blake - I don't think the trunk ever got the fruits of our last minute labor. Previous patch catches the trunk up, I think. You want to take a quick look. walk84: maybe you can give it an r= too? It resolves, among many other things, the 89754 bug you just reopened.
Comment 53•23 years ago
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sr=blake
Comment 54•23 years ago
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r=walk84
Comment 55•23 years ago
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Updates checked into trunk.
Comment 56•23 years ago
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I just posted a proposal for some big updates to the help system at www.mozilla.org/projects/help-viewer/proposal.html. Author: Pete Wilson. Also going to update that project index page when I get a minute, since it's like a million years old now. The proposal discusses some better uses of RDF in the toc/index/search; better searching; a better doc format (like DocBook, which has been discussed as a Big Possibility for mozilla.org for that same million years) that we could deploy as printed manuals, as more modular, component-specific help documents, aural help, what have you; some updates to the navigation in the viewer, et cetera. A lot of things. I like many of Peter's suggestions and the document itself (except for the user of the verb "liase", blech! ;^), especially the set of recommendations at the end, which I think we can get to work on. Or at least put on the table. I think Dr. Wilson and I are going to hang out on Friday at the mozilla developers thing in Mountain View. Maybe we could have a little doc/help BOF. Let me know if you are interested. Which reminds me: what's going on with <wizard/> or with <dialog help="[url]"../>? Anybody know?
Comment 57•23 years ago
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Just an FYI for folks. The next version of Komodo (1.2, currently in beta) has search for on-line help, based in part on a public-domain indexer which was written in Python. See http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-pyind.html?dwzone=linux for details. It works ok for us. It's not as high-power as some, but it delivers basic search functionality. Our code is all in Python, which isn't a realistic solution for Mozilla (yet!), but there may be open source C++ indexers that could be used instead. Note that I haven't modified it to work with documents in chrome. It currently indexes 'real' files only.
Comment 58•23 years ago
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peter wilson's handiwork on the help system. this patch includes sidebar-like panels, a search facility, and a much more prolific use of RDF: the index is in RDF (but I still have to update my script to write to RDF/XML, so currently the index is pretty bare), the table of contents is composed from module specific files (e.g., composer-toc.rdf), the context-sensitive help has been cleaned up and now uses RDF URIs instead of keys or pointers to the HTML itself; also, the help window now loads a "master file" that describes which panels are available, which sets of content, and which databases to search against (mozillahelp.rdf is loaded by default). Also some bug fixes for selection and initialization. This patch prepares the help system to be used, for example, by other applications (think myapphelp.rdf) or for specific installations of mozilla--like ones where there is no mail component or whatever. The context-setting stuff has been greatly optimized. Also there are some test files in the build so you can see the different master instances of the help system running and test context-sensitive help. I will be updating the specs at mozilla.org/projects/help-viewer to reflect this stuff that I hope will be checked in (after a little more cleanup) some time very soon.
Comment 60•23 years ago
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Joe Hewitt, Blake You think you guys could take a look at this patch and r/sr it if it looks good? It's a nice update for the help system that lets you include different content for different instances, uses RDF URIs for the context-sensitive help, and fixes a bunch of bugs. Thanks in advance.
Comment 61•23 years ago
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Note that the patch I posted here fixes or moot-ifies the following bugs, mutatis mutandis: 91207, 93216, 93312, 104895, 114055, 83862, 108695 and maybe others.
Comment 62•23 years ago
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Comment on attachment 65246 [details] [diff] [review] slightly updated: added the test.xul file, cleaned out some noise nifty, r= or sr=waterson, whichever helps.
Attachment #65246 -
Flags: superreview+
Comment 63•23 years ago
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The only thing that I'd be worried about is the GetDataSourceBlocking calls. These should be fine so long as the data is local (which it probably always will be).
Comment 64•23 years ago
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I love Chris Waterson. And not just because he r/sr'd this big patch. The RDF against which the calls are being made is local. Hewitt, perhaps you can take a look and give the complementary sr/r? Thanks a lot.
Comment 65•23 years ago
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I love Chris Waterson too. He's a good guy. But his tendency to hate non- English speaking cultures really gets on my nerves. All of the English text needs to be localizable. Also, align="baseline" doesn't mean anything. And please fix the indentation/tabs.
Comment 66•23 years ago
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I love Chris Waterson too, even though I never met him. I just hope his ego is not getting too big because of this bug. Anyway, the patch looks great Ian, but I'm not sure if my opinion counts here. Just one thing. In help.xul why are the forward and back menu popups in a popupset with an id of "aTooltip". Isn't this reserved for tooltips?
Comment 67•23 years ago
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<popupset> is deprecated, you can put your context menu popups all by themselves. <popup> is deprecated, use menupopup instead. tooltip="aTooltip" - you don't need this anymore, just go with tooltiptext. if there is an actual aTooltip element in your doc, just remove it. <box orient="horizontal" flex="0"> - how about just <hbox>
Comment 68•23 years ago
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Another update to mull over. This one has localized strings in the XUL, tabs and DOS line-endings removed in all files, a new generated RDF index, and better formatting in general.
Attachment #65246 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Comment 69•23 years ago
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* popup->menupopup * menupopups not within popupset anymore * tooltip attributes out * <box/> in test.xul changed to <hbox/>
Attachment #66398 -
Attachment is obsolete: true
Comment 70•23 years ago
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Hey, did you guys generate the RDF/XML from the help text using a tool? If so, it'd be great if you could check that tool into the tree somewhere. Also, I think blake may have been referring to the ``hard-coded'' text in the RDF/XML: blake, was that what you'd wanted to see as entities?
Comment 71•23 years ago
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I talked with Blake about this, and I think he was referring to the XUL, where I had some English. AFAIAC, the RDF/XML is fine full of English. Like HTML, an RDF file in the locale/en-US subdirectory should be *replaced* by a localized version in a different language pack.
Comment 72•23 years ago
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K, so I've done the updates that blake and hewitt mentioned in their reviews. Does this mean I can have an r=blake or an r=hewitt now (see latest patch)? Or do I have to do something sneaky and say this work is sr=waterson, r=oesdchger, and author=pwilson, which in fact is the case, in order to get it in in the next couple of days?
Comment 73•23 years ago
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Please Help! mozilla builders and interested interlocutors, please apply this patch if you can and verify that this help system update works on your platform in at least a rudimentary way: that the datasources load in the panels, that the panels display correctly, that the start content loads, that the navigation buttons work. I am confident that these changes work and are good, but I need some more eyeballs. We are beginning some usability studies on the help system, and I need to have this stuff checked in by tomorrow night. Thanks for your attention.
Comment 74•22 years ago
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Moving back to this bug to track help issues, e.g, regular expressions for searching, maybe a full-text search facility, setting focus on the search field, removing dependencies and building help as an optional extension...
Updated•22 years ago
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Comment 75•22 years ago
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Is there a reason for this bug to still be open. Help has its own component so I don't see the purpose of a Help tracking bug unless it tracks bugs external to the Help component.
Comment 76•22 years ago
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Can we keep this open for now? It's been useful in the past as a way to track things (sometimes outside of Help), and I think I smell it becoming useful again.
Comment 77•22 years ago
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Yes, I agree, let's keep it open. Brant: I think you misunderstand the meaning of a tracking bug. As you can see from the 'depends on' list, there are still many open bugs on the Help component.
Comment 78•21 years ago
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Now that the new roadmap has been announced, has there been in thought put into how the help systems for Phoenix and Minotaur (Thunderbird). Would it be some sort of standalone app that the both could reference, or will it duplicated in both programs.
Comment 79•21 years ago
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moving stuff over to an outside-the-firewall email for the time being, looking for people to pick these Help and doc bugs up for me.
Assignee: oeschger → oeschger
Status: ASSIGNED → NEW
Comment 80•21 years ago
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mass reassign of all of Ian Oeschger's bugs to me (R.J. Keller).
Assignee: oeschger → rlk
Comment 81•21 years ago
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> Now that the new roadmap has been announced, has there been in thought put into > how the help systems for Phoenix and Minotaur (Thunderbird). Would it be some > sort of standalone app that the both could reference, or will it duplicated in > both programs. http://firebirdhelp.mozdev.org This is the future of Mozilla Help. It's planned on being the same app in both programs but with different documentation.
Updated•21 years ago
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QA Contact: tpreston → stolenclover
Updated•21 years ago
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Updated•20 years ago
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Product: Browser → Seamonkey
Updated•16 years ago
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Priority: P1 → --
Comment 83•15 years ago
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Closing this tracking bug. We are now using the toolkit help viewer on trunk. Any new issues should be filed in the relevant toolkit component.
Status: NEW → RESOLVED
Closed: 15 years ago
Resolution: --- → FIXED
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