381306 - Add Spring 2007 newsgroup additions to developer-forums.html

Status: RESOLVED FIXED

(www.mozilla.org :: General, defect)

Description

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

There have been a number of new newsgroups added to the server, which still need to be added to the developer-forums.html page. 

mozilla.announce.prerelease (bug 375879)
mozilla.dev.mdc.ja (bug ??????)
mozilla.feedback.companion.ebay (bug 375935)
mozilla.feedback.firefox (bug 375879)
mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease (bug 375879)
mozilla.feedback.thunderbird (bug 375879)
mozilla.feedback.thunderbird.prerelease (bug 375879)
mozilla.support.planning (bug 376980)

Comment 1

[Jeremy Baron]

mozilla.dev.mdc.ja is Bug 360797

Comment 2

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

New batch:

mozilla.events (bug 381632)
mozilla.community.mozpad (bug 381766)
mozilla.dev.platforms.linux (bug 380841)

Comment 3

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

and remove mozilla.dev.ports.beos (bug 384445)

Comment 4

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

and remove mozilla.dev.tech.xpcom (bug 385041)

Comment 5

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Add:
mozilla.dev.l10n.in (bug 392915)
mozilla.dev.l10n.de (bug 391048)
mozilla.dev.tech.js-engine.rhino (bug 389738)
mozilla.web-developers.general (bug 384869)

Remove:
mozilla.dev.tech.css (bug 384869)
mozilla.dev.tech.javascript (bug 384869)
mozilla.dev.tech.html (bug 384869)
mozilla.dev.ajax (bug 384869)
mozilla.dev.web-development (bug 384869)

Comment 6

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

(In reply to comment #4)
> and remove mozilla.dev.tech.xpcom (bug 385041)

forget about removing mozilla.dev.tech.xpcom. 

Comment 7

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

add:
mozilla.dev.l10n.fa (bug 397905)

Comment 8

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Are you going to do the patch for this, or do you want somebody else? :)

Comment 9

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

somebody else

Comment 10

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

add:
mozilla.dev.platforms.mobile (bug 399282)

Comment 11

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

add:
mozilla.community.enterprise

I'm pretty busy with Sumo stuff, but there are so many additions, I'll see if I can find time to fix this, but I'm taking it yet. If someone else wants to take this go ahead.

Comment 12

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

There are a few things I need help with:
- In raw-ng-list.txt, the descriptions start at 37 characters in, on each line. mozilla.feedback.thunderbird.prerelease exceeds that.
- Ebay Companion doesn't seem to be listed on Hendrix. Is it coming from a different Hendrix installation?
- Is there a homepage for mozpad?
- Not sure what the definition of Mobile is.

Other than that, here's what I have written (typed) down:

mozilla.announce.prerelease         Announcements of Mozilla product pre-releases.

mozilla.dev.mdc.ja                  For discussions about Japanese content on <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/ja/">Mozilla Developer Center</a>.

mozilla.feedback.companion.ebay     Automated output of Ebay Companion feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>. (another Hendrix?)

mozilla.feedback.firefox            Automated output of Firefox feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.

mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease Automated output of Firefox pre-release feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.

mozilla.feedback.thunderbird        Automated output of Thunderbird feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.

mozilla.support.planning            For discussions about improving Firefox Support.

mozilla.events                      For discussions about Mozilla events.

mozilla.community.mozpad            For discussions of the Mozilla Platform Application Developers Community (there a homepage for this?)

mozilla.dev.platforms.linux         For coordinating more involvement from the Linux distros and community. (not sure about this definition)

mozilla.dev.l10n.in                 For discussions of the Indian localization of Mozilla projects.

mozilla.dev.l10n.de                 For discussions of the German localization of Mozilla projects.

mozilla.dev.l10n.fa                 For discussions of the Persian localization of Mozilla projects.

mozilla.dev.tech.js-engine.rhino    For discussions about <a href="../rhino/">Rhino</a>. Implementation of JavaScript written entirely in Java.

mozilla.web-developers.general      For discussions about making web sites render correctly in Mozilla browsers.

mozilla.dev.platforms.mobile        (not sure)http://wiki.mozilla.org/Mobile

mozilla.community.enterprise        For discussions about <a href="http://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise">Enterprise</a> issues.

Comment 13

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Hendrix for ebay companion: <http://www.mozilla.com/add-ons/ebay/feedback/>

Comment 14

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Mozpad home page: <http://mozpad.org/>

Comment 15

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Mobile description: For discussions about the Mozilla
platform on mobile devices.

I'll create a patch without mozilla.feedback.thunderbird.prerelease.

Comment 16

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Some more thoughts, this about placement:
- mozilla.feedback is placed under "Projectwide Forums". m.f.firefox and m.f.firefox.prerelease, and their Thunderbird equivalent are obviously not project wide; so it might be better to put those under Application Development.

- are mozilla.dev.platforms.linux and mobile ports? IOW, should they be put under Ports to other OSes?

Comment 17

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

mozilla.builds also seems be missing a description. I'll put:
For discussions about compiling the source code or improving the build system.

Comment 18

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

How about we give feedback its own section?

Comment 19

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Attachment: draft1

- I gave feedback its own section, under Support.
- Even though bug 384869 is still not fixed, it's just a matter of waiting for those groups to be closed down; so removed them from the list, as per comment 5.

Comment 20

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Comment on attachment 295052 [details] [diff] [review]
draft1

>+mozilla.feedback.firefox            Automated output of Firefox feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.
>+mozilla.feedback.firefox.prerelease Automated output of Firefox pre-release feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.
>+mozilla.feedback.thunderbird        Automated output of Thunderbird feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.
>+mozilla.feedback.companion.ebay     Automated output of <a href="http://www.mozilla.com/add-ons/ebay/feedback/">Ebay Companion feedback</a>.
>+mozilla.feedback                    General feedback; includes automated output from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.
...
> mozilla.dev.mdc.feedback            Developer Center feedback; includes automated output from <a href="http://feedback.developer.mozilla.org/">MDC Hendrix</a>.

I'm not sure "automated" is the best word here... Users have to fill out a feedback form and submit to Hendrix. Hendrix just submits that feedback form to a newsgroup. Maybe there's a better way to describe it?

> :Projectwide Forums

Can we alphabetize the newsgroups under this category?

>+mozilla.community.enterprise        For discussions about <a href="http://wiki.mozilla.org/Enterprise">Enterprise</a> issues.
>+mozilla.community.mozpad            For discussions of the <a href="http://mozpad.org/">Mozilla Platform Application Developers</a> Community.

Should community get its own section, or do you think general development is ok?

> mozilla.dev.extensions              For extension developmers.

Fix the typo (s/developmers/developers/).

> mozilla.dev.mdc.es                  For discussion about Spanish content on <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/es/">Mozilla Developer Center</a>.
> mozilla.dev.mdc.pt                  For discussion about Portuguese content on <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/pt/">Mozilla Developer Center</a>.
>+mozilla.dev.mdc.ja                  For discussions about Japanese content on <a href="http://developer.mozilla.org/ja/">Mozilla Developer Center</a>.

Order these alphabetically. Also, either remove the 's' from "discussions" or add it to the other ones.

> mozilla.dev.l10n.cs                 For discussion of the Czech localisation of Mozilla products.

Fix the typo (s/localisation/localization/).
 
>-<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support</h2>
>+<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support
>+</h2>

Why this change? Did gen-ng-info do this, or did you?

Comment 21

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

(In reply to comment #20)
> I'm not sure "automated" is the best word here... Users have to fill out a
> feedback form and submit to Hendrix. Hendrix just submits that feedback form to
> a newsgroup. Maybe there's a better way to describe it?

Just get rid of the word 'automated"? (e.g. Output of Firefox feedback from <a href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.)

> Should community get its own section, or do you think general development is
> ok?

I don't know. I don't see the difference between the community newsgroups, and dev groups.

> >-<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support</h2>
> >+<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support
> >+</h2>
> 
> Why this change? Did gen-ng-info do this, or did you?

gen-ng-info did that, and I only partially fixed it.
<http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.mozilla-org/browse_frm/thread/45020e57140146cb>

Comment 22

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

(In reply to comment #21)
> (In reply to comment #20)
> > I'm not sure "automated" is the best word here... Users have to fill out a
> > feedback form and submit to Hendrix. Hendrix just submits that feedback form to
> > a newsgroup. Maybe there's a better way to describe it?
> 
> Just get rid of the word 'automated"? (e.g. Output of Firefox feedback from <a
> href="http://hendrix.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.)

Yeah, that works. There's several places where it says "automated" in reference to Hendrix, so make sure you catch them all, please. Also, use http://feedback.mozilla.org/ instead of http://hendrix.mozilla.org/. It's the same thing, but I use the feedback URL on all the main pages.

> > Should community get its own section, or do you think general development is
> > ok?
> 
> I don't know. I don't see the difference between the community newsgroups, and
> dev groups.

Ok, whatever. If anybody complains later, then we can think about it more.

> > >-<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support</h2>
> > >+<h2 id="end-user-support">End-User Support
> > >+</h2>
> > 
> > Why this change? Did gen-ng-info do this, or did you?
> 
> gen-ng-info did that, and I only partially fixed it.
> <http://groups.google.com/group/mozilla.dev.mozilla-org/browse_frm/thread/45020e57140146cb>

Weird. If you want to run it yourself, can you manually fix that change when it does it. If you want me to just run it on your updated raw-ng-list.txt, I can do that, too. It's up to you.

Comment 23

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Attachment: draft2

Comment 24

[Reed Loden [:reed]]

Comment on attachment 295058 [details] [diff] [review]
draft2

>+mozilla.feedback                    General feedback; includes automated output from <a href="http://feedback.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.

Change the description of mozilla.feedback to this:
Output of general feedback from <a href="http://feedback.mozilla.org/">Hendrix</a>.

r=reed with that change.

Comment 25

[Chris Ilias [:cilias]]

Checking in developer-forums.html;
/www/mozilla-org/html/community/developer-forums.html,v  <--  developer-forums.html
new revision: 1.29; previous revision: 1.28
done
Checking in raw-ng-list.txt;
/www/mozilla-org/html/community/raw-ng-list.txt,v  <--  raw-ng-list.txt
new revision: 1.8; previous revision: 1.7
done