User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040823 Firefox/0.9.1+
Build Identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040823 Firefox/0.9.1+
When I am in the Java login screen, all keyboard handling in Firefox is buggy.
The cursor moves erratically when I type to Google search box, or to some form
in any other tab or window. It is really annoying... the cursor moves to before
the written letter, not after it. Please test this, it should be fixed as soon
as possible. Everything works in IE, but in Mozilla and Firefox it is impossible
to write any text. I write this in Notepad and then paste to Firefox screen...
Steps to Reproduce:
1. Go to http://www.runescape.com/
2. Click Play Game / High Detail / Select some server.
3. It loads an Java applet. I have tried Sun's 1.5 beta and 1.4.2.
4. When you get to the New user / Existing User screen, there is a background
music playing in IE, not in Firefox.
5. Now enter some text into Google search box, for example. Randomly the cursor
moves to the beginning of last written letter.
he ursor moves erratially as you see hre. I is imossileo write any tex .tt bpteeccT
Keyboard should work normally.
Might be related to bug 247140 (Java applets permanently hog keyboard focus) but
in this case the cursor just doesn't move correctly in any tab/window when this
java applet is running. It is possible to enter text to URL and Search box, but
the text is entered incorrectly, randomly the cursor does not move after the
last entered letter.
This is a duplicate of Bug# 247140
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Confirming as it certainly does not seem to be a dupe of bug 247140. That is a
Mac core bug, this is Firefox specific and happens on WinXP.
I can say that this does happen but only sometimes.. Most of the time I load up
Firefox (1.0) and the keyboard handling is fine, but every now and then it
messes up in this game. But if I restart the computer and try it again I cant
get it to do it, so there really arent any steps to reproducing the bug..
Actually I originally came to this bug because another one I was looking into
was marked as a dupe of this one, even though it really isnt..
There are 2 bugs with runescape in firefox (and i am assuming all mozilla
This is one of them, and the other is that the sound for the game never works in
Firefox, but it does in IE.. Note that I am using Sun's 1.5 JRE, not the MS
one, so I would think that if it were a bug in the JRE, the sound wouldnt work
in either IE or FF
So anyways I will go ahead and create a new bug for the sound issue if that's
ok, since they are unrelated bugs, just need someone to email me telling me to
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formated summary for tech evang
also see bug 248640 bug 264286 and bug 285069
Umm I don't htink its a duplicate, and I can get it to do it everytime. and its
only types it wrong thats only problem.
Ok, there are multiple DIFFERENT bugs being reported here, and very confusing.
Only 1 of them is a bug in firefox. Let me clarify
1) Text cursor moves erratical. We do not think this is RuneScape specific
problem. As far as we can tell this is simple a race condition in firefox's
textbox code such that if the computer is at 100% CPU load the text cursors no
longer moves properly. You can reproduce this bug by loading up ANY java applet
that uses 100% cpu and then trying to type into the address bar or any of
firefoxes windows. The reason only some people see this is people with very fast
computer can play runescape without hitting 100% cpu. Write yourselves a simple
test applet that uses several threads to thoroughly eat all the cpu and then
you'll see it happening.
2) The sound doesn't work in RuneScape under firefox. This is NOT a firefox bug.
This is our fault, it's because we are using an IE specific feature to do the
sound because at the time we wrote it Java had no decent midi player. This is on
our list of things to fix, since Java 1.5 finally has an ok midi player. I
repeat this is NOT a firefox bug.
3) The person complaining about getting 2 context menus, when he right clicks in
runescape. Go to Tools->Options->WebFeatures. Click the 'advanced' button next
behaviour of java applets even though, which is technically a bug, or certainly
confusing. But easy to work around.
I agree completely with Andrew's comments and can reproduce the bug (#1) on my
machine too (and have been seeing it for some time but could never figure out
where to log it! :) ). My son goes through all kinds of hoops to type in
messages when his Runescape is running in any open tab or window. All other
windows will mix up the typing.
The sound not playing is not a mozilla issue.
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Starting runescape in low detail should help on most Pentium-IV systems
(In reply to comment #19)
> Starting runescape in low detail should help on most Pentium-IV systems
what about those running sempron 2500+ with 512MB PC3200 on a 64MB Radeon
game runs fine, never lags
and cpu use is about 85-90% (firefox is about 75-80% of cpu usage)
and thats high detail
and i still see erratic movement :P
well here i got a pentium-IV 2.6Ghz 512MB of memory i got erratic cursor
movement in high detail (game uses 100% CPU) but not in low detail (about 85-90%
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This bug persists and now I'm finding (on two different AMD64 machines) that once my son plays runescape and then closes Firefox it will not completely shut down (although it does not appear in the running applications but does show under running processes). One must CTRL-ALT-DEL and kill the firefox.exe process.
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This happens to me too. I'm running the latest version of Firefox and the same thing happens on both my laptop and PC. Both run widows XP Pro, the laptop has 512MB RAM, 1.73GhZ Pentium M processor, the PC has 192MB RAM, 633MhZ processor (I know, it's a dinosaur :P ). I've tried running Firefox in safe mode and the same thing happens, the cursor randomly jumps around while I'm typing anything in FF (search bar, location bar, forms, etc). This only happens in high detail mode, which makes it seem like a memory problem. I've seen the memory useage go up past 200MB, although the CPU useage never goes above 50%. Note that before I tried all of this, I restarted my computer and I have no other programs open.. only one tab in firefox, and it seems very odd that a browser should use that much memory after such a short period of time.
I experience this bug as well. Cursor jumps around in any text field on the page including address bar and search box. It happens 100% of the time for me.
(In reply to comment #8)
> Confirming as it certainly does not seem to be a dupe of bug 247140. That is a
> Mac core bug, this is Firefox specific and happens on WinXP.
I'd hold off on calling this a Firefox specific bug. Did anyone actually try to reproduce on Suite? (I can't reproduce in Firefox, probably because my pc's specs are simply to high to care, so attempting to reproduce on Suite doesn't make sense for me). From what comment #15 says, I'd think this should be moved to Core, and is not tech evangelism at all. Sure, the sound thing is tech evangelism, for that there is bug 264286. The textbox code is shared, so I'd say that's Core.
This is actually a bug in the gecko core, any version up to current of gecko core malfunctions while a java applet is taking input (Anything, including java chat clients) the only way to fix it is to patch the gecko core or find a workaround with java, Im not a java developer so im not sure if its possible to check the applet focus, but if so, the best way around this would be checking the focus of the applet and if it de-focused temporarily stop taking input.
If anyone has any suggestions on a workaround, please feel free to post, Hearing from Chris / Andrew on changing java applet input status would be great.
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(In reply to comment #9)
> This is one of them, and the other is that the sound for the game never works
> Firefox, but it does in IE.. Note that I am using Sun's 1.5 JRE, not the MS
> one, so I would think that if it were a bug in the JRE, the sound wouldnt work
> in either IE or FF
I think the Runescape music does not work inside FF/M because they use the Microsoft Java Api. And inside FF/M you don't have access to this Api. I think Runecraft uses this Api because it offers better access to the sound hardware. Look up on this problem in the Runescape forums. Search "Tech Support" on "sound" or more specific "SERIOUS MUSIC PROBLEM"
Bug 1, Java applet interfering with text input in URL bar is reproducible in SeaMonkey 1.0, Windows 2K SP4, Java 1.5.0_06.
Faced the problem on www.runescape.com. Applet (in background tab) interfered with text input in url bar and comment field of this bug.
Bug 2, about sound not working is also reproducible.
So this isn't a Firefox only bug.
Attempting to select a better component...
Not sure if this makes sense - didn't want to put it in Layout: Form Controls because this is not so much about layout as about actually using it. Maybe this distinction is wrong though - if someone more knowledgeable in this area comes along, please poke this bug again. It'd be nice to get some traction on this.
Runescape has just released a new game engine, supposedly reducing memory usage. I'm currently unable to reproduce this bug.
Windows XP SP2 Home
Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition 5.0 Update 6
3.2 Ghz, 1 GB RAM.
If some people could attempt to reproduce this now (in light of this new update) on a much slower pc then that'd be some useful info. We may have to drop runescape relevance (the "tech evangalism" section of the bug") and find a new testcase.
IIRC it was a race condition that caused this, so it may be a bug in java itself, and not in Firefox. Seems to only occur in Firefox probably because FF has higher CPU and memory usage than IE does on slower machines. I don't have my laptop that I could reproduce this problem on anymore, but I know someone who has a _really_ old laptop we could test it on. I'll post more results as I get them
Seems to be working fine now on my machine that previously had the problem. Will test again on slower machine.
I tested on a slower/older machine and it's working fine. It's fixed from my perspective.
Removing runescape relevance from the bug. I'll see if I can chase down a testcase.
runescape could still be a testcase, as on my sempron 2600, just sitting at the loading screen uses 70-80% of my cpu, and eats 130mb of RAM.. I'll look into maxing out the cpu by loading 2 applets at the same time and get back to you. i cant do it atm due to having to backup my hd, and needing the spare cycles :-)
I agree. I ran 4 copies of runescape, 2 in Ie, and 2 in Firefox, left all 4 at the login screen, verified CPU was at a constant 100% and attempted login on one of the 2 firefox copies. It came out perfect multiple times, even though the graphis were studdering all over the place like i was on a 14.4 connection lol.
(In reply to comment #41)
> I agree. I ran 4 copies of runescape, 2 in Ie, and 2 in Firefox, left all 4 at
> the login screen, verified CPU was at a constant 100% and attempted login on
> one of the 2 firefox copies. It came out perfect multiple times, even though
> the graphis were studdering all over the place like i was on a 14.4 connection
Did you try typing in the location bar? That was where this bug was usually present.
Techincally, if runescape was our only testcase and it has been fixed with an upgraded engine, it would have to be an engine bug in runescape. Granted it may have only happened in firefox, but that is probably due to some weird incompatibility between the old engine and the sun jvm, vs the ms jvm that gets used when running under ie.
It could also be a bug in FF 1.0.x that was fixed in 1.5.x, or a bug in xp that was fixed in SP2.. Regardless, this happened for me on an older pentium laptop, and for others on semprons..
My guess is that it was a combination of factors, that which we will never figure out, but that since it is no longer reproducible, we should just resolve the bug and move on with our lives :-)
Yes I had to type into the location bar to get to runescape.com.. I dont use the bookmarks
Testcase here: http://www.screwedbydesign.com/mozilla/testcases/256763/
The applet runs two threads, each doing a small calculation in a while(true) loop.
Note: There is a 2 second delay built-in before the calculation is run.
Testcase #2: Download windows vista RC1 from http://download.windowsvista.com/preview/rc1/en/download.htm
It uses a Java download client that does NOT even use 10% of my CPU and as I am typing not only in the location bar, but in any form under FF, every now and then the cursor stays in place while the character in inserted before it so several of my words come out looking like this: there once was a woman who lived in a shoe, she had so many children, she didn't know what to do.. jack be nimblejack be quick, jac jump over the candle stick..k
notice that the k from jack is after the .. from me having fiished my sentence, and there again it is for the word finished...n
It's also happen on following URL:
The cursor is jumping forwards and backwards. Additionally I can't use the clipboard anymore because nothing is copied in it.
I've changed my mind, I don't think this is related to 100% CPU at all - whoops! I also think this might be a dupe of bug 269973, not a dependency, but will await confirmation on bug 269973 comment 35 (backwards, or just jumbled?)
I am now able to reproduce this at both http://www.jeep.com/en/wranglers/360/wrangler/exterior/index.html?tname=wrangler360 and http://www.stolaf.edu/people/hansonr/jmol/test/ping/Test_pingpong.html on Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.8.1b2) Gecko/20060821 Firefox/2.0b2 ID:2006082101 with Java 5.0 update 6.
I'm also wondering if anyone is able to reproduce this on any OS other than Windows?
(In reply to comment #48)
> I've changed my mind, I don't think this is related to 100% CPU at all -
> whoops! I also think this might be a dupe of bug 269973, not a dependency, but
> will await confirmation on bug 269973 comment 35 (backwards, or just jumbled?)
Don't think so. It's not backwards only. The text is totally scambled on my box.
> I'm also wondering if anyone is able to reproduce this on any OS other than
I ask on bug 351940 if it's reproducible for Camino.
Resummarising for dupe.
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Bug 269973 comment 30 has a useful testcase and some additional information
There is already a bug on sun bug database for it: http://bugs.sun.com/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6408194
And the target release for it is jre1.5u10.
(In reply to comment #53)
> There is already a bug on sun bug database for it:
Due to the reason that it is a Java bug we could resolve this bug as invalid? Or do we have to wait until it will be fixed to verify?
(In reply to comment #54)
> Due to the reason that it is a Java bug we could resolve this bug as invalid?
> Or do we have to wait until it will be fixed to verify?
I would say that we should wait for the fix from sun to resolve it, as it is not reproducible (as far as we know) under any browser that does not use the gecko engine, such as IE, or Konqueror.
When it happens in the address bar, is there anything java running in the background, or possibly in the browser window itself?
From every report I have seen this only happens when java is doing something and only within firefox, so if you are using the java google talk client, THRU firefox, then it is still related to this "incompatibility" between firefox and java.
P.S. You did post to the correct bug.
as far as I know gmail only uses js.
Fair enough. Gmail's js-based google talk shouldnt be the cause. Just because it happens in that window doesn't necessarily mean that it is cause by it.
From what I see, this problem, whatever it is, affects every text input field that is rendered by firefox, whether it is part of a web page, part of a java applet, or part of FF itself, so double check and make sure that javaw.exe is not in your process list in task manager whenever this condition occurs for you. If it is, then your issue definitely falls under this bug, if it is not, then it may still fall under this bug, but one of the developers should make that call.
I'm fairly certain I only had gmail open, but I can test again. It was happening on my parents' computer which is fast, but their connection is slow. It happened to me on this machine once when something huge was loading (I think a bugzilla list that was taking up a lot of resources). To me the issue seems to be about typing faster than something can process the keystrokes. Which is what seems to be happening to the others I've seen with the issue. Maybe it's not java itself, but java is tying up a resource, which can be tied up/delayed in other ways?
For the most part I think that is actually what is happening with everyone else. As the original thread title was something along the lines of being a race condition with 100% cpu and something java running in the background.
I don't think that a connection speed would cause it though. Its possible that even though the computer is fast, there may have been something at a lower priority tieing up the cpu and so the computer seemed to respond to clicks and keystrokes, but it was just enough cpu load to cause the condition. On yours, it may possibly be something to do with a bugzilla load, but how that ties in with java, I am not sure. Like I said though, even if java isn't necessarily the thing being the resource hog in your case, it could still be causing the issue, since firefox loads up the java plugin, so yea if you don't mind, make sure that javaw.exe is not in the process list, and if it is, try doing an end process and see if that clears the problem. Also, make sure that you have the latest java (1.5.0_09) on any machines that you test this with..
I cannot believe that after so many months (years?) this bug and its many forms has not be satisfactorily addressed. What does it take to convince these developers that this should be a priority -- all applet polling in Firefox is impossible. Whether it is focus or what, someone surely can track this down. It is completely reproducilble by any number of methods. Sorry to vent.
it wasn't cpu. In the case of gmail's gtalk I image the characters need to be sent to google so they can be displayed. Also the gtalk window is the only one it was happening on.
bob - from what I have seen this happens on slow machines and/or slow connections. The devs tend to have fast machines and fast connections by nature of their job. It's annoying as hell though, and if we can establish that this isn't a java problem, then the firefox devs might actually look at this and try to fix it. Otherwise, if it IS a problem with java's mozilla plugin, then we can't do anything but wait for sun to fix it.
Bob, its ok, but it isn't in the hands of the mozilla devs anymore, it has been passed on to the sun devs, as it has been identified as a java issue.
As far as it only happening on slow machines, that isn't completely true. For the most part, yes it happens MORE on slow machines, however I have repoduced it once on this machine (and not since), which is a 2.6 GHz Sempron with 1GB RAM, and others have produced it on 3+GHz machines, it's not totally the slower machines that do it.
Also, it's not necessarily related to the java plugin, all the plugin does is render what java processes, and pass user interaction from firefox to java, and vice versa, so it may be a problem in the JRE itself, which would explain why it is taking so long for sun to get a fix out.
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Looks like it´s fixed in: Java Runtime Environment (JRE) 6
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I just attached a testcase in bug 275783, that also makes this bug 100% reproducible:
For the record, I'm using Java1.6.0_02-b06.
I don't know if I should add to this problem or a new one. I am having this problem with FF 126.96.36.199 on XP and java is not running under processes in the task manger.
Specifically, the above was originally:
I don't know if I should add to this poblem or a nw ne. Iam having this problem with FF188.8.131.52 on XP and java is not runningunder processes in the task manger. oer
I'm on 2Ghz system with 2GB ram. The system is not heavily loaded.
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What i justsaid was that ican confirm that this is still occurring and thatit is apecific to firefox, i tried in i.e. and it wrote in the correct direction. i cannot use the mouse to move the cursor, just the arrow keys. the error occursin the address bar as well. i just downloaded the latest release this morning and did not have problems like this prior.
Jonathan Page contacted me and asked me to add the following comment on his behalf (he didn't want his e-mail address made public):
I have just encountered this issue in a brand new installation of
Firefox 3.0.1 running on Windows XP Professional. Everything I type in
Firefox's textboxes -- whether in the URL bar, the Google search box, or
the text field on google.co.uk's home page -- has just starting
appearing backwards. It is as though I have selected a right-to-left
input method. The I-cursor stays at the left-hand side of the input
field as I type. I only have English-UK selected as my Windows input
methods and have never selected any other language or keyboard.
Since installation Java has been disabled in Firefox, and there is no
Java process running in Task Manager. So at least this manifestation of
the backwards typing issue has nothing to do with Java. In fact, Firefox
is the ONLY application I have installed on the computer so far. It is
an extremely clean installation and so I am confident that Firefox is
unfortunately to blame.
Closing all windows and restarting Firefox seems to have fixed the
issue, at least for now.
That seems like a different bug to me, he should probably file a new bug for that.
I see that Sun had to close their bug because they can't resolve this on their end. See the bug link in comment #53, and specifically this part:
>Searching around mozilla.org, I found the following comment from Rick Potts >suggesting that Java Plugin must push a new EventQueue whenever a sub message
>pump is entered:
>Unfortunately, both nsIEventQueue and nsIEventQueueService had been obsolete >in Mozilla. I had contacted Mozilla to ask for help on implementing the >equivalence
>to nsIEventQueue when we need to run sub-message pump. This loop pump in >Plugin main thread is currently happened during applet's resource loading. We
>are blocking JS->Java calls during that time to prevent deadlocks caused by >round-trip J->JS->J or JS->J->JS when the applet is not yet ready.
>Still waiting for response from Mozilla.org.
Did anyone ever get back to Sun about this issue? My wife who is playing java-based online games regularly runs into this issue frequently even with Firefox 3.0.5.
I think this should now work just fine with the latest Java release.
Martijn, do you mean Java6 Update11 as the latest release? This was what my wife was offered this morning. She installed it, but so far has not had the chance to see if the problem was solved.
Marco, sorry, I'm not completely sure in which release this was fixed. Sun has a rather confusing version numbering.
I'm now using Java build 1.6.0_05-b13 and I don't see the bug in there.
I used to have this problem, see comment 69, I attached a testcase in bug 275783 that also reproduced this bug.
According to bug 275783 comment 137, it should work fine in Java(TM) Platform SE 6 U10
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I have just experienced this issue today, and can confirm that it is exclusive to Firefox at this moment on my PC. FF ver 3.0.10. Java ver SE 6 U3. Problem is initiated follwing load of Java used in facebook.com picture uploader applet. This is 100% repeatable and exclusive to Firefox.
JRE6 update 3 is really old. Please install the latest JRE6 update 13 to check it again. On which website you have seen this problem?
Voting for closure. Have not seen this problem in ages, no reports of it in over a year.
WFM per comment 82