Open
Bug 176238
Opened 22 years ago
Updated 2 years ago
Make Mozilla not suck as a newsreader [meta]
Categories
(SeaMonkey :: General, defect)
SeaMonkey
General
Tracking
(Not tracked)
NEW
People
(Reporter: mrmazda, Unassigned)
References
(Depends on 15 open bugs)
Details
(Keywords: meta, Whiteboard: See comments 14 & 27!)
Current bugzilla search for new, reopened, and assigned mailnews bugs totals 4,984. Here are several notable and/or egregious ones affecting newsreading: Bug 21344 nor 4xp Location toolbar (menu of mail folders and newsgroups) Bug 23633 nor Newsgroup names should only be truncated if there is no room for the full name Bug 35338 nor 4xp Overzealous blocking of cross-posting to multiple hosts Bug 35689 nor 4xp Newsgroup postings don't linkify newsgroup header (like 4.x) Bug 36538 nor 4xp 'mark newsgroup read' and 'message|mark|all read' Bug 40260 nor 4xp Subscribe dialog should support "new" newsgroups Bug 43278 nor 4xp Crossposts (same Message-ID) not marked as read in other groups Bug 54911 maj 4xp News article gets sent to the right news group but on the wrong server Bug 60981 maj Multipart news messages: no combine and decode Bug 62586 nor 4xp Need Titletips (or tooltips) for Cropped Text in Message Header Pane Bug 91662 nor Long strings in mail or news header cause scroll bars and attachment window to disappear, making message unreadable Bug 95623 nor Must differentiate between newsgroup-followup and email-reply Bug 97186 enh Method of having alphabetical sort for newsgroups in the folder pane Bug 109935 nor 4xp Mozilla message quoting should be more like Netscape 4.x Bug 111665 nor 4xp Re-sorting messages should scroll to show selection Bug 118899 nor 4xp Time Zone Never Displayed Within Message Headers Bug 119964 enh Support new USENET encoding -- yEnc Bug 129052 enh Incoming Mail Notification Should Be Like Netscape 3 Bug 129574 maj 4xp Autosubscribe/expired message links open in new window Bug 131371 enh per-newsgroup signatures Bug 135964 nor 4xp View -> Messages Change Deselects Displayed Message Bug 137701 maj newsgroup postings stored as draft will send under wrong account Bug 150274 nor 4xp User should be able to reorder the Newsgroups like in NS4 Bug 161968 nor Wrapping quoted lines get wrong quote status Bug 161969 nor Deleting quoted text keeps quote status Bug 164680 nor Cannot select messages or folders while creating filters Bug 171442 nor 4xp Incomplete BCC list displayed using "all" for view - > headers Bug 174017 nor Multiple enters after quoted text does not move cursor
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Comment 1•22 years ago
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no one needs this tracking bug -> mrmazda@ij.net
Assignee: chofmann → mrmazda
QA Contact: chofmann → mrmazda
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Comment 3•22 years ago
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some of these bugs are fixed. I recommend listing them as bugs that depend on this one.
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Comment 4•22 years ago
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I don't think I understand. None of the listed bugs are currently fixed. Fixed bugs show with strike-through here on the web page. Do you recommend that all the originally listed bugs be added to bugs this bug depends on, like in bug 168066?
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Comment 5•22 years ago
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Adding dependencies as indicated by reporter. Also bug 12699, which is one of the most important newsreader bugs, IMO. If Mozilla can't meet these basic requirements, it isn't suitable for reading usenet -- and that would be a great shame.
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Comment 6•22 years ago
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There is a bug about supporting threaded *and* sorted views, but I couldn't find it. :(
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Updated•22 years ago
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Comment 9•22 years ago
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Bug 111665 was inexplicably duped to bug 186999. Replacing depends.
No longer depends on: 111665
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Comment 10•22 years ago
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These might as well be subtrackers of this one: Bug 71728 - [META] Message count problems tracker bug for News. Bug 191298 - [META] Tracker for watch/ignore icon problems Bug 192905 - [META] Tracker for Rewrap command issues
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Comment 13•22 years ago
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Sorry, I haven't recognized that. Well, Bug 10097 Ability to add user to 'killfile' with a single click is about MailNews and I hope, that nothings wrong with that one, this time.
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Comment 14•22 years ago
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If you look at the original comment, you'll see "not suck" essentially means fix the broken things and restore functionality lost in leaving Netscape 3 & 4 behind. This is not a general tracker for enhancement requests. Two EN in the original list were wanted in N4 before its development ceased (97186 & 131371) plus the two combine/decode bugs, also having roots before Mozilla 5 began in ernest. Nice as ignore user and easy killfile would be, not having them doesn't make Mozilla suck.
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Comment 16•22 years ago
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Please add bug 89939 as a major dependancy. Mozilla doesn't even support news:<msg-id> URLs as required by RFC 1738, see http://www.w3.org/Addressing/rfc1738.txt It currently confuses the <msg-id> with the NNTP hostname to connect to. 4xp, used to work fine across all Netscape Navigator versions, ever.
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Comment 17•22 years ago
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Adding bug 9942 nor 4xp Message headers don't scroll with the message.
Depends on: 9942
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Comment 19•22 years ago
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See comment 14. This bug is not for tracking general enhancement requests -> removing 27768. Added bugs need descriptions provided. There is no tracking component for mailnews.
No longer depends on: 27768
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Comment 21•22 years ago
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Adding bug 62033 nor 4xp Should display |References| links in message display window
Depends on: 62033
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Comment 22•22 years ago
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Adding bug 36816 - news should use the server's username / password when authenticating Without this bug fixed, any time you read from a news sever that requires passwords, the passwords are not remembered. Pretty annoying for those using Giganews and other subscription based news servers.
Depends on: 36816
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Updated•21 years ago
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Depends on: newssource
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Comment 23•21 years ago
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Please do as comment 14 and comment 19 specify when adding bugs. Broken view source offline doesn't appear to qualify, since among other things that problem has an obvious workaround.
No longer depends on: newssource
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Comment 24•21 years ago
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Looking back at your comment 14, the scope of your tracker isn't at all clear from the summary/description. BTW, did you mean - fix the broken things and (restore functionality lost in leaving Netscape 3 & 4 behind) or - (fix the broken things and restore functionality) lost in leaving Netscape 3 & 4 behind ? I think we should change the summary line so that it makes sense. And should this whole tracker have the 4xp keyword?
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Comment 25•21 years ago
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fix the (esp. notable and/or egregious) broken things, and restore functionality lost in leaving Netscape 3 & 4 behind This bug is not intended to track every bug found in newsreading.To me, "suck" means serious (e.g. notable and/or egregious, as stated in comment 0, sentence 2) problems, such as functionality lost by "upgrading" from Netscape 3 or 4, features asked for before N4 development ceased still not implemented (e.g. bug 60981), significant "enhancements" required to achieve basic parity with competition (e.g. bug 119964) and non-tivial brokenness (e.g. bug 54911, bug 91662, bug 129574). That many depends here happen to be 4xp doesn't make this bug 4xp. The summary means exactly what I intended. Netscape 4 remains my primary newsreader because this stuff doesn't get fixed. News doesn't take a back seat to the browser - it's hidden in the trunk. That sucks.
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Comment 26•21 years ago
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Added bug:112422 (searching for messageid missing) and set it as a bug: 89939 blocker (see messageidfinder mozdev project)
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Comment 27•21 years ago
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No one to add depends to this except assignee, QA or drivers. If you think a bug should be added to depends list here, nominate it only. See comment 0, comment 14 & comment 25.
Whiteboard: See comment 27!
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Comment 31•19 years ago
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Felix, the competition includes 20 year old programs like trn, which had killfiles and thread pruning. mozilla's newsreader sucks, in large measure, because it STILL doesn't have those features. I knew the manager of the mailnews team at Netscape (I was netscape employee 1522). He believed that Netscape's mail/news client should be targetted at corporate intranet use, and he didn't believe that killfiles and thread pruning made sense in a corporate intranet environment. But mozilla clients are not primarily about the corporate intranet enviroment, and are expected to compete with the products used by the masses on the open internet. That includes essential features like one button plonk, and one button tree pruning, and killfile initiated tree pruning, like trn had in 1990 (or before). If every other mailnews bug gets fixed, and mozilla/TB/SM still doesn't have usable thread management, then the news reader still sucks.
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Comment 32•18 years ago
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Please consider adding bug 370889. This function is available in many newsreader including Outlook Express.
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Comment 33•18 years ago
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More parity with competition bugs: Bug 37775 – Subscribe to newsgroups dialog should support description Bug 102804 – New newsgroups don't show up in subscription window Bug 174234 – Implement full newsgroup name as tooltip on hover of group name Bug 344833 – Inform user whether a newsgroups is moderated or not when posting Bug 370889 – Searching for both 2 or more keywords in Manage newsgroup subscription
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Comment 34•17 years ago
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More nominees: Bug 10097 - Ability to add user to 'killfile' with a single click Bug 11054 - Ignore (kill) a Subthread (branch: not the whole thread) Bug 16913 - Filter news based on any headers
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Comment 35•17 years ago
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I'd like to nominate Bug 112422 – Searching for Message-IDs missing (news) Yes, I've noticed comments 26 and 27. Actually Message-IDs are used very often to cross reference between postings. At the moment you have to use google groups manually which is really annoying. The feature was provided by the addon messageidfinder but this not longer works with trunk. See also Bug 62033 which was a blocker here and https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112422#c6
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Updated•17 years ago
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Whiteboard: See comment 27! → See comments 14 & 27!
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Comment 36•17 years ago
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(In reply to comment #35) > I'd like to nominate > Bug 112422 – Searching for Message-IDs missing (news) > > Yes, I've noticed comments 26 and 27. You can actually directly link them, like so: comment 26 & comment 27 > with trunk. See also Bug 62033 which was a blocker here and > https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=112422#c6 Same here: bug 112422 comment 6 I have looked through here, and read comment 14 & comment 17, and I believe that I have a good 'parity with competition' bug (ref: comment 33). It is bug 339983, support for .NZB files. I know this kinda depends upon bug 119964 and bug 60981 being fixed, though. This is my nomination.
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Updated•14 years ago
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Updated•12 years ago
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Summary: Make Mozilla not suck as a newsreader → Make Mozilla not suck as a newsreader [meta]
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Updated•8 years ago
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Component: Tracking → Folder and Message Lists
Product: Core → Thunderbird
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Updated•8 years ago
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Assignee: mrmazda → nobody
Component: Folder and Message Lists → General
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Comment 41•8 years ago
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I filed this on the suite, still use the suite, and hope to see this fixed in the suite. I've never used Thunderbird, and don't expect to.
Product: Thunderbird → SeaMonkey
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Comment 42•8 years ago
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Wait, why is this not set back to the "Core" product? It's relevant both to the suite and to Thunderbird in pretty much the same way, right? I mean, at least the dependent bugs are; the title can have different interpretations, but still.
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