713979 - (tb-keyboard-tracker) [Meta] Thunderbird Keyboard Shortcuts Tracker Bug

Status: NEW

(Thunderbird :: General, defect)

Description

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

This meta bug is to keep track of bugs that affect keyboard shortcuts in Thunderbird. Please add any of the following to the "Depends on" field of this bug:

- bugs that propose new keyboard shortcuts
- bugs that propose modification of existing keyboard shortcuts
- bugs that have changed keyboard shortcuts
- bugs that report conflicting, missing, broken keyboard shortcuts

Unless declared otherwise (in summary or subsequent comments):
- do *not* add bugs that are about access keys (unless they explicitly relate to keyboard shortcuts, too)
- do *not* add bugs for the SeaMonkey product

This meta bug intends to provide an overview over TB's keyboard shortcuts and their history of changes (past, present, future). This will help to
- track past/present/future keyboard shortcuts
- understand the reasons for (past/future) keyboard shortcut changes
- provide background knowledge for improving keyboard shortcuts
- coordinate future keyboard shortcut changes and avoid conflicts
- have a central point of reference required for keeping the Keyboard Shortcuts Documentation (1) and Release Notes up to date (caveat: see below)

We might want a separate meta bug for tracking the actual editing of the Keyboard Shortcuts Documentation page (i.e. corrections and improvments of that web page, see (1) below).

(1) https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts

Comment 1

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

The motivation for this bug is the perfect chaos on the current Keyboard Shortcuts Documentation page (2), featuring outdated, wrong, misleading, incomplete, missing and duplicate entries. I took a first stab today (3) and it was way too hard to verify some keyboard shortcuts and their change history. There's a lot more to be done.

(2) https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts/revision/5138
(3) https://support.mozillamessaging.com/en-US/kb/keyboard-shortcuts/revision/5396

Comment 2

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

Wayne, can you create some intelligent searches to feed this bug?

Comment 3

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

FTR: Of course, one of the most famous siblings of this is
Core Bug 57805 - front end for customizing keyboard shortcuts (configurable/user-defined keys)

Comment 4

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

i'm under the weather so this isn't intelligent :)  (yet)
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?negate0=1&type1-0-0=substring&list_id=1965222&short_desc=ctrl%2B%20ctrl-%20cntrl%2B%20cntrl-%20control%2B%20control-%20shortcut%20short-cut%20accel%2B%20accel-&field0-0-0=blocked&type0-0-1=substring&field0-0-1=keywords&type1-0-1=allwordssubstr&resolution=---&classification=Client%20Software&classification=Components&query_format=advanced&short_desc_type=anywordssubstr&type0-0-0=substring&value0-0-0=713979&field1-0-0=short_desc&product=MailNews%20Core&product=Thunderbird&field1-0-1=short_desc

note: (you probably already know this) requests for shortcuts are perhaps among the most requested of features, many of which are unrealistic for the average user

Comment 5

[Jim Porter (:squib)]

I think what we really want to do to fix the issues in comment 1 is to write a tool that extracts the keyboard shortcuts from our code automatically. Then we don't have to rely on fallible humans to keep up-to-date. I was thinking about doing this, in part to figure out what shortcuts we have available, but I've been too busy.

Comment 6

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

(In reply to Wayne Mery (:wsmwk) from comment #4)
> i'm under the weather so this isn't intelligent :)  (yet)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?... [snip]

Wayne, thank you!
I'll gladly accept more ideas if the weather changes ;)

Would anybody know of one ore more talented "New to bugzilla" user(s) that we can engage to sift through your query and, more generally, find & add more dependants of this bug?

> note: (you probably already know this) requests for shortcuts are perhaps
> among the most requested of features,

That's why we need to track them to consolidate and coordinate (find duplicates, trends, xrefs etc.).

> many of which are unrealistic for the
> average user

Can you elaborate a little on the meaning of "many keyboard shortcut requests are unrealistic /for/ the average user"?

Comment 7

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

(In reply to Thomas D. from comment #0)
> - have a central point of reference required for keeping the Keyboard
> Shortcuts Documentation (1) and Release Notes up to date (caveat: see below)
> 
> We might want a separate meta bug for tracking the actual editing of the
> Keyboard Shortcuts Documentation pages (i.e. corrections and improvments)

I created a separate tracker bug for that purpose:
Bug 714031 - [Meta] [SuMoMo] Thunderbird Keyboard Shortcuts *Documentation* Tracker Bug

So there might be intersections between the dependants of this bug and bug 713979, but bug 713979 has a different and much more limited focus on *documentation* of existing/forthcoming keyboard shortcuts. For details, see bug 713979, comment 0.

Comment 8

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

@everyone: Please add potentially interested / knowledgeable parties to the CC list of this bug.

Comment 9

[Philip Chee]

Bug 515081 is SeaMonkey specific. Did you really mean to include this?

Comment 10

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

(In reply to Philip Chee from comment #9)
> Bug 515081 is SeaMonkey specific. Did you really mean to include this?

No, thanks! :)

Comment 11

[Wayne Mery (:wsmwk)]

(In reply to Thomas D. from comment #6)
> > many of which are unrealistic for the average user
> 
> Can you elaborate a little on the meaning of "many keyboard shortcut
> requests are unrealistic /for/ the average user"?

my impression may be old or in accurrate, but I've encountered some requests which I would never use

Comment 12

[Philip Chee]

> Bug 189654
This is (1) a SeaMonkey bug (2) Invalid.

Comment 13

[tct]

Bug 714437: conflicting Alt Gr. On Romanian keyboard it used in combination with letter keys to write diacritics. Now it opens Application Launcher dialog (as for a link).

Comment 14

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

Aceman and Suyash, as you've recently fixed bugs involving keyboard shortcuts, I'd like to draw your intention to this tracker...

@Suyash, one of the big and beautiful trees I planted on BMO ;)
Click on Show dependency tree link on top of this bug to see the full tree nicely (1). If it's too big, shrink to first level dependants by clicking button labelled [1] in tree view (2)

(1) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=713979&hide_resolved=1
(2) https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=713979&maxdepth=1&hide_resolved=1

Comment 15

[Thomas D. (:thomas8)]

(In reply to Thomas D. from comment #14)
> Aceman and Suyash, as you've recently fixed bugs involving keyboard
> shortcuts, I'd like to draw your intention to this tracker...
> 
> @Suyash, one of the big and beautiful trees I planted on BMO ;)
> Click on Show dependency tree link on top of this bug to see the full tree
> nicely (1). If it's too big, shrink to first level dependants by clicking
> button labelled [1] in tree view (2)
> 
> (1)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.cgi?id=713979&hide_resolved=1
> (2)
> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/showdependencytree.
> cgi?id=713979&maxdepth=1&hide_resolved=1

Comment 16

[Andrew Trotter]

Attachment: same problem

Thanks from chietaleba1984.